USA V Ronald Phillip Wallace Case 1:08-cr-00409-CMA Document 85 Filed 05/14/12 USDC Colorado
USA V Ronald Phillip Wallace Case 1:08-cr-00409-CMA Document 85 Filed 05/14/12 USDC Colorado
USA V Ronald Phillip Wallace Case 1:08-cr-00409-CMA Document 85 Filed 05/14/12 USDC Colorado
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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT
10 SUPERVISED RELEASE VIOLATION HEARING, DAY 2
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APPEARANCES
18 LINDA KAUFMAN, Assistant United States Attorney, 1225
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
6 Wallace.
9 United States.
20 deputy that --
22 two hours, we should have had notice an hour and a half before
23 the hearing.
11 Please state your name and spell your first and last
14 W-A-L-L-A-C-E.
17 DIRECT EXAMINATION
18 BY MS. PIERCE:
24 A Uh-huh.
1 A Correct.
2 Q Correct?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And can you describe what you are -- what you think was
9 Mr. Theune?
17 checks. But --
20 Q And did you ever have any discrepancy that you noticed with
1 delayed?
7 Q Did you ever fail to report any income at any point during
13 A I was working for Ray Wall, LLC, doing research for them.
18 Valley for a long time, and I was helpful with information that
19 I had.
21 ask for my input and eventually on June 11, Mr. Wall was going
22 to Aspen, and he asked if I could meet him there that day, and
24 Q And when you were working with Mr. Theune or Mr. Wall, did
9 A Correct.
10 Q -- additionals, correct?
11 A Uh-huh.
20 what was your understanding with regard to what you were trying
22 A Well, with Mr. Wall or just all the employment, seemed like
2 was told that was okay. But it was a little bit conflict in
5 Q Did there come a time when Ms. Oppenheimer told you that
7 A Yes. On September 9.
8 Q Okay.
10 A I told Mr. Wall that I couldn't work with him until they
18 A Yes.
21 the research that I had done in July and August and early
23 Q And what exactly did you do? Describe what you did in July
24 and August.
25 A The main thing was is that they had some properties on the
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2 properties. And they didn't know the value of the ones on the
7 they had a lot of records there. And I was trying to find out
13 a hundred to $200,000.
14 Q Did you ever have any other contact with a law firm in
18 the person that sold all the properties to Imago or Ray Wall's
22 has dementia.
23 Q Now, again in those job duties, did you have control over
7 Even though they hadn't exercised some of the TDRs, but they
11 felt that if they -- Ms. Oppenheimer had expressed that she was
14 cut was a good thing. And that that would look good for them,
15 that they would be complying with what she had asked for.
22 those checks, that was a way for them to keep me on the side so
23 that I would, once it was approved, I would stay and work for
24 them rather than if they didn't cut me any money at all, then I
1 places.
3 A Yes.
5 A Yes.
8 A Uh-huh.
17 time in Aspen and that was before the market went south. So,
18 yes, very much. So that was a big component and she was very
19 supportive.
20 Q When you first started working after your sentence, did you
2 but by the end of '07 and '08, we were looking for new
7 Colorado?
11 transferred.
13 violated?
16 months, and then I had paid five months in advance, and I was
18 paying large lump sums didn't work out. And that was the main
21 of employment?
23 Q Okay.
24 Now, the second time that you came back to the court,
5 employment was -- I had, if you want to use the slang term, had
6 drank the real estate tea, and I had believed that the Aspen
7 market was going to come back and come back and I kept thinking
9 time I should have looked for some other means of making some
13 my, my friend that I was working for, Randy Egan, had set up a
17 me, to make sure I met that. And it was a poor investment for
22 have gone to Miss Dohanic and said to her, you know, here's
24 that. So.
3 A No. I was -- Mr. Ray Wall and his client, who I know a
5 intimately close with him, always dealt with Mr. Wall, I had
6 just met them in the spring, early summer of 2011. Has nothing
11 done.
16 From the time I was released from FCI Englewood, I believe that
20 A I was going back and forth for work I was doing for Ray
21 Wall, and I didn't know for sure until I was approved with my
8 it, is, lives there, and my 16-year-old son and my daughter who
10 yes.
2 and something to that nature, which I think would work well and
5 A Yes.
7 A 16 and 18.
13 A Yeah. He's on the U.S. Olympic team and the U.S. ski team.
15 A Yeah, he's there for free skiing, half pipe, he's there,
16 no. 1 in the world rank, and he's their hope for a gold medal.
18 him dealing with his, his, his skiing and his, his, all of his
23 BYU, and I work closely with him with that. Just it's an
2 big job.
12 point, and so from the -- and I think there are warm e-mails,
17 when she said I was being violated that -- what I was being
18 violated for, and I stated that very clearly, that I just what
8 so hard on that.
19 use a 2-inch needle with iron four days a week that is a very
21 big scars in my rear end from that; and it was very painful,
22 whereas they could have just done iron infusions like they do
3 two weeks I was there, and the only reason I survived as well
7 CROSS-EXAMINATION
8 BY MS. KAUFMAN:
11 mistreatment, while you were in prison the last time, did you?
12 A I complained --
14 A -- to management.
22 they did for 24 hours, a metal cage that they only gave me a
25 Q Who was that person that made that threat to you, sir?
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1 A Ippilito.
7 department that in fact you had done better while you were in
10 is.
11 Q Are you saying that when Dr. Pelton told probation that you
16 Q All right.
18 facility?
19 A Correct.
1 being pulled over on I-70 like four or five days afterwards and
4 And then the next time that I was told that, that if I
7 working for them. And so that was the next time that that was
8 stated to me.
10 A That's what?
12 A 55.
15 A Yes.
16 Q And that was from 199- -- opened in '94, and you ran that
18 A Approximately.
25 rare wines.
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5 A Yes.
8 A Correct.
9 Q But you knew before September 9 that you were not supposed
14 September 5 that are not -- July 5 that, that I was working and
16 for it.
18 approval, but I had stated very clearly many, many times that I
19 was doing this research project for these people and that we
21 August and that didn't happen, and ultimately she gave the
24 farther.
2 A Uh-huh.
4 A Yes.
7 A I'm sorry.
8 Q Page 5.
11 page 5 of Exhibit 1.
15 one type of work and no. 6 implies that access to all and any
19 this to my attention.
21 A No.
22 Q All right.
24 it?
7 A Yes.
9 correct?
10 A Correct.
12 A Correct.
14 correct?
15 A Yes.
16 Q By you, correct?
18 Mr. Wall.
21 Q He didn't come with you when you delivered the check and he
1 A Uh-huh.
5 off a check. And I did. And I don't know all the details of
6 this particular --
7 Q Well, Mr. Wallace, just I'm not asking you if you know all
10 check.
18 insufficient foundation.
21 (Exhibit 29 admitted.)
22 BY MS. KAUFMAN:
23 Q When you look on the first page, Mr. Wallace, you see where
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Thank you.
5 Q It's true that you told Mr. Wall, Wall to make direct
11 stated, you need to put this into my account this way, direct
15 that told him to make the direct deposits into his (sic)
16 account?
19 recall him testifying on Friday that you're the one that told
23 you were uncertain that you were not approved to work for Imago
2 September 9.
4 monthly reports that all money that was coming from them was
6 A Correct.
8 correct?
12 Friday. And you saw them Friday. Fair that none of them have
16 Q Are you saying that you told -- there are other e-mails in
20 Q Well, Mr. Wall came and testified under oath that it was an
22 receiving?
24 had done and so it was money paid to me from Imago LLC or Ray
25 Wall, I don't know their exact financial dealings; and for work
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5 identifying the work that you were doing and the source of
6 income?
12 On October 5 --
18 money expected income, and that's what I was being paid from.
22 time. And so, yes, this was described as it was in many times,
23 and you just asked that I had never stated clearly if there was
4 correct?
8 Q But when you reported your income, you did not say this is
11 listed here, no. 6, and I think that's fairly clear, isn't it?
14 entity.
16 Trust, correct?
17 A Correct.
20 A I recall.
21 Q And do you recall that one of the conditions that you were
24 A Correct.
2 A Yes.
6 REDIRECT EXAMINATION
7 BY MS. PIERCE:
10 A Absolutely.
21 transparent.
3 Q Yes.
7 that. But I was working there from the 7th till the --
9 A Yes.
10 Q And did you eventually get approval for the work at the
12 A Yes.
15 starting it?
22 that.
1 August when the owner of Imago and Ray Wall were supposedly
2 coming to Aspen, that was the plan, but their travel plan
10 have this between the 20th and the 24th of August, we would
17 Mr. Saint John, he, he was a client of Ray Wall's, and I had
2 need to have you do this right now, do this research; and then
7 that I know Ms. Oppenheimer was out of town and I didn't have a
11 could you call, could you talk to them, and I didn't do that.
20 Anything further?
24 closing argument?
2 CLOSING ARGUMENT
5 the trust of the Court, having been placed for a second time on
12 issues with his witness Mr. Wall as well, and I'll get to it in
13 just a minute.
20 time even gave him a break of stipulating that the loss was
22 14 million.
11 That year he did not admit, but we put on evidence. And I can
15 what was going on and where the source of the money was coming
21 probation.
24 events: That Mr. Wall has a client named Mr. Blackwell who has
5 continued to pay him well into the end of the year and I think
6 maybe even into this year, but the record will clarify that.
11 of those checks are all within a short number, 997, 998, 999.
15 money.
17 incredibly, Mr. Wall testified that that was for advances for
20 TDRs, advances on that, that have not yet been realized by his
21 client but yet he is using his client's money to pay this man
22 an advance.
25 imprisoned from 2007 on. To expect the probation and the Court
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2 And the wasted resources that this man has put the probation
19 that he is, and pleasant as he is, call the next day and say,
20 what time, what day was that, the next day. Of course it was
14 is how they get what they want. The Court under the law, as we
15 see it, can sentence this man to consecutive time on the seven
18 and he was given concurrent time, at the time, and even if, and
3 its standard; that is, the Court must make a reasoned judgment
9 discretion.
10 Thank you.
13 CLOSING ARGUMENT
18 Mr. Wallace and his probation officers and Mr. Wall. And it's
25 in this case.
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2 court. And I would point out that I don't know how appropriate
5 they're doing.
13 was one of the reasons he was given release into the community.
14 And he did do that fairly well for the first year and a half.
4 his restitution than the fact that he was working for a company
20 kept trying to conform with her requests and then they would
22 There was also an issue about Mr. Wall being busy and
7 Mr. Theune testified knowing him for 20 years that you really
12 And that has been an ongoing issue that he's had with
13 probably anyone that's dealt with him and given him direction.
20 given.
23 what the Court has heard in this case. That he, he was -- made
3 just part of his personality and the way that he deals with
4 information.
7 put him in a certain category with other people that the Court
9 individual.
15 IRS, their chief counsel here, for 2000 through 2005. And on
20 and energy, and I did this all myself, not with attorneys or
23 tax credit.
25 with the IRS; and to do what I did there, for one, it was
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1 during those years, 2000 through 2005, where if there was bad
3 have come out, and I'm sure they would have told me how much
4 money I owed.
16 telling how grateful I was and how this is working out and how
17 much I like working with her, I had no idea that there was an
18 issue or a problem.
20 work things out; and Mr. Wall, there's a big opportunity there
21 with him to make a lot of money and it's very legitimate and he
25 show the Court now that the economy's getting better and that I
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2 and do the right thing. 'Cause that's what I want to do. And
4 RULING
16 finds himself before this Court for failure to comply with the
17 officer -- the fact of the matter is that the defendant did not
24 past three years, it's clear to the Court that the defendant
7 any work for Ray Wall, Bruce Blackwell and/or Imago LLC.
13 authorization.
19 payments for being work performed in July and August. And the
1 might earn on the sale of the TDRs, but I have to see any
15 individuals.
20 not made any real effort to comply with the meetings that he
22 April till this time, he had met with the probation officer
1 release.
7 work that he's done. Defendant has not submitted the required
19 those.
6 violation.
12 not to that.
21 violation.
8 those months for work he performed in July 2011 and August 2011
13 advances for, just despite the fact that the property has not
18 employment search.
19 Other violations.
21 ten days prior to his moving from 1521 Steele Street, Denver,
3 a grade C violation.
14 Ms. Pierce.
19 restitution, that the Court should consider and that that also,
21 harsh to send him to prison for the higher end of the Guideline
25 Thank you.
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2 Miss Kaufman.
5 he's already served nine months the last time he was revoked.
10 floods the probation office with words and documents that will
24 Thank you.
2 heard?
5 further?
12 don't believe me, but I just, you know, I have a family, I have
14 know, I don't know what it's going to take 'cause it seems like
15 this just keeps going around and around. And all I want to do
17 I'm -- I just ask for your mercy, and I would like to just get
18 on with my life here because I'm not, you know, I'm paying tax,
23 here. There's nothing like that. I just want to, you know,
25 talents that I think other people feel I have and, you know, it
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4 laws. It's all just technical. And, you know, all I want to
6 people like Ray Wall or Phillip Theune that I know have lots of
22 section 3553(a)(7).
25 September of 2009.
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3 and spanning through March 2010 and which was similar to what
20 told the court he could pay 6,000 a month back. Over the
21 course of the last five years, that number should be more than
13 of imprisonment.
5 the fact that the Court has already tried with no success other
14 unpublished case.
22 supervised release, and I'm not going to cite all the case law
23 there because you go to Morris, and they'll give you the case
15 This Court has been quite patient with Mr. Wallace and
16 has twice warned him that if he did not comply with the
23 incarceration.
25 405 F.3d 1159, Tenth Circuit, 2005 case, the Tenth Circuit held
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13 this case has shown little regard for the Court's orders. His
1 87 months or 57 to 71 months.
12 current term and two prior terms; fifth, given that defendant's
15 and sixth, given the fact that the sentences imposed up to this
13 man and that such a minimal sentence would be all that would be
20 the top of the Guideline range of nine months, with the hope
23 comply and comply timely and fully with the terms of supervised
1 advise you that if you did not comply with the terms of your
5 you did not believe me. And it is clear that you do not think
12 being paid for the work that you have supposedly performed.
16 this case not to file reports, but you filed reports that were
24 you just do not -- did not seem to appreciate how fortunate you
2 underlying fraud charges, you were found guilty and the judge
7 part. And despite the fact that you were told that your
17 Mr. Wallace, you are advised that you have the right
19 appeal must be filed with the clerk of the court within 14 days
6 behavior, the Court has concerns about the likelihood that this
23 Englewood.
25 dissuade me otherwise?
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3 surrendered himself in the last two cases, and we ask that the
7 position?
14 do this, you know, if it's what the probation asks was 30 days,
21 sentence.
23 But I have never -- I mean, all the way along the way here, I
24 have always 100 percent of the time shown up for whatever I had
25 to and it's the same thing with this. I just -- I beg you for
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2 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
7 s/Kara Spitler_________________
Kara Spitler
8 WITNESSES
9 RONALD WALLACE
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