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Link to Z page: label in interface language or in content language?
A classic wiki-style link to a Z page shows the label of that Z page in the user's interface language.
To me, it would make sense to show it in the page content language by default. This means, for example, that most discussion pages, like this one, would show it in English, and that's OK—whoever can read a discussion in English, can also read the label of a Z page in English.
If a page's content language is set to something other than English, then the link should show the label in that language.
The current practice is similar to the Wikidata practice in the common Q and P templates: they show the label of the Q item or the property in the user interface language. But that is also not a very good practice, and I proposed changing it at d:Template talk:Q. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- This makes sense to me. I’ve noticed that there is no “languages” box on our main page, so we’re encouraging users to change their interface language to see content in a different language. In any event, if you get the Main page in a language other than English, viewing the source gives you an English template with no explicit reference to the template that has the content. If you work out the correct template (which isn’t hard), you’ll find that the “function list” appears in the interface language, because it uses Template:Z+ without an explicit language parameter (see, for example, Template:Main page/he). Please note that Template:Z also has an explicit language parameter, without which it functions like a simple wiki-link. Compare:
- join two strings (Z10000) – basic link (standard font for ZID?)
- join two strings (Z10000) – Template:Z (smaller font for ZID?)
- שרשור מחרוזות (Z10000) – Template:Z with second parameter (Is there an rtl issue here?)
- GrounderUK (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Request for creating Mediawiki:Recentchangestext
Hi everyone, since users often need to navigate quickly from the Recent Changes page, I've created Template:Recentchangestext as a starting point. It may need a review to improve it, so please take a look. If the community agrees, a sysop can include the template in MediaWiki:Recentchangestext. If the English version is well-prepared, we can consider supporting translations into other languages too. Thanks! Aram (talk) 20:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think if you're going to add content there, you need to have some very strict rules. For example, it should take up a maximum of one line and have maybe three or four links, and be aimed at people who use Recent Changes (i.e. existing community members who are patrolling content).
- Your current proposed draft is absolutely huge, making RC totally impossible for people with mobile devices, which is going to be ~100% of all speakers of some of our languages. It replicates most of the sidebar links that people have anyway – if you think we should add links to the sidebar, that's a totally reasonable request but shouldn't be done on RC only. :-) It adds a bunch of links only relevant to people who are new to Wikifunctions, for whom visiting RC is a bad idea (and very unlikely).
- Rather than start with a draft, I think this should start with a consensus as to what problem we want to solve with this? Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Jdforrester (WMF), Thank you for your reply. I’ve actually created a starter page with some important links that I could find, but I’m sure it needs review to improve it as it may not be complete right now. I’m not sure if I can write some rules to make it limited. Regarding the size, if you’re referring to the font size and spacing, we can edit the Template:Recentchangestext/styles.css to reduce the element sizes and/or shorten the labels. The sidebar already has a lot of links. RC has a Use non-JavaScript interface option which is enabled by default and thus RC has a link to show/hide Mediawiki:Recentchangestext content. However, if that option is disabled, there is currently no link to hide it. To be honest, I think this page on RC is important; I am one those users who are sticked to RC page and don't visit other pages like Main page to navigate elsewhere, and there may be many users like me. Finally, I just wanted to make a difference on Wikifunctions and thanks. Aram (talk) 22:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #169 is out: Limits on Name and Description Lengths
There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!
In this issue, we discuss the introduction of more stringent limits on the length of object names, input names, and descriptions, and we take a look at the latest software developments.
Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive! You might be interested in the launch of our "About" widget, a summary of our experience at Wikimania 2024, or the refinement of WasmEdge.
Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next Volunteers' Corner will be held on September 2, at 17:30 UTC (link to the meeting).
Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 08:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
List of Objects with longer Labels and Descriptions
You can find a Spreadsheets with Labels and Descriptions of Z-Objects in Wikifunctions in the following Spreadsheet hosted on PAWS in the WMCloud. [1]. The name of the file is Wikifunctionstextlist.ods. Out of the new dump generated today I ran a program to extract The Labels, Descriptions and Alias. The limit for Title is as far as I have seen 50 characters and 200 for descriptions. It is possible to use this list to generate Lists per language. This is something I want to do in the next days maybe. I am not yet sure if it is possible to describe all functions well enough through a title with not more than 50 characters. At the other side I think it is not necessary that the title alone enables people to use a function. Hogü-456 (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #171 is out: Dagbani Wikipedia will be our first wiki for Wikifunctions integration
There is a new update for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia. Please, come and read it!
In this issue, we introduce Dagbani Wikipedia as our first wiki for Wikifunctions integration, discuss the recent stability challenges we've had in the past few days, and we take a look at the latest software developments.
Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!
Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)