Celebrity Vanessa Williams Remembers Johnny Carson's Snarky Joke About Her Becoming 1st Black Miss America: 'Wow' (Exclusive) The singer and actress reflects on the racist criticism and jokes she faced when she first won the crown in 1984 By Janine Rubenstein Janine Rubenstein Janine Rubenstein is Editor-at-Large at PEOPLE and host of PEOPLE Every Day podcast, a daily dose of breaking news, pop culture and heartwarming human interest stories. Formerly Senior Editor of music content, she's also covered crime, human interest and television news throughout her many years with the brand. Prior to PEOPLE she's written for Essence, The Cape Times newspaper and Los Angeles Magazine among others. On-screen Rubenstein can be found featured on shows like Good Morning America and Entertainment Tonight and she routinely hosts PEOPLE and Entertainment Weekly's star-studded Red Carpet Live specials. Follow the San Francisco native, Black Barbie collector and proud mom of two on Instagram and Twitter @janinerube People Editorial Guidelines Published on July 28, 2024 08:30AM EDT Vanessa Williams, Johnny Carson. Photo: getty (2) When Vanessa Williams made history becoming the first Black woman to be crowned Miss America at the 1984 competition, the then-20-year-old became the talk of the nation. Unfortunately, all of what was said about her wasn't good talk. While many called her a role model and appreciated her groundbreaking win, Williams, now 61, says there were many others who sent racist comments and even death threats her way. She recalls talk show host Johnny Carson making fun of her accomplishment. "When I had just won, one of my first appearances was in New York City, and I was staying at The Plaza," Williams tells PEOPLE in this week's cover story. Vanessa Williams. getty Vanessa Williams Wonders If She's Typecast to Play 'Strong Women with Attitude': 'I Always Find It Fascinating' "I remember turning on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and his opening monologue was, 'Did you hear we have the first Black Miss America? Yeah. They didn't mention that Mr. T was one of the judges,'" recalls Williams. "I was like, 'Wow, that's telling.'" She believes Carson was insinuating that "there had to be one Black judge in order for me to win," adding, "That's just me as a twenty-year-old, realizing, 'Oh, there is some stuff that's still racist and prejudiced and tinged with attitude and judgment.'" Never miss a story — sign up for PEOPLE's free daily newsletter to stay up-to-date on the best of what PEOPLE has to offer, from celebrity news to compelling human interest stories. Vanessa Williams PEOPLE Cover. Zoe McConnell Vanessa Williams, 61, Refuses to Get Botox, Fillers or a Facelift: ‘I Want to Look Like Myself’ (Exclusive) She says that was just one of "so many instances" that she faced at the time. Things got exponentially worse following the nude photo scandal that cost her the crown, but still, she looks back on the many highlights of her pageant experience fondly. "President Reagan called me after I won at the Resorts Hotel in my room and said it was a great thing for our country," she says. "I burst into tears when I met Lena Horne because she was an idol." "I performed with Ray Charles on the USS. Being on The Love Boat was fun," she adds. "It was a tremendous year. As terrifying as it was, it was incredible." For more from Vanessa Williams, pick up the latest issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands every Friday. Close