House Bill No
House Bill No
House Bill No
5043
Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the Philippines in Congress
assembled:
SECTION 1. Short Title. – This Act shall be known as the “Reproductive Health and
Population Development Act of 2008“.
SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy. – The State upholds and promotes responsible parenthood,
informed choice, birth spacing and respect for life in conformity with internationally
recognized human rights standards.
The State shall uphold the right of the people, particularly women and their organizations, to
effective and reasonable participation in the formulation and implementation of the declared
policy.
This policy is anchored on the rationale that sustainable human development is better assured
with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.
The State likewise guarantees universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality
reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information
thereon even as it prioritizes the needs of women and children,among other underprivileged
sectors.
SEC. 3. Guiding Principles. – This Act declares the following as basic guiding principles:
a. In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for either modern or
natural methods of family planning;
c. Gender equality and women empowerment are central elements of reproductive health and
population development;
d. Since manpower is the principal asset of every country, effective reproductive health care
services must be given primacy to ensure the birth and care of healthy children and to
promote responsible parenting;
e. The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to, be spread so thinly to service a
burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively
meaningless;
f. Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully
guaranteed by the State like the right itself;
g. While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgment of parents and
couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs, such concerned parents and
couples, including unmarried individuals, should be afforded free and full access to relevant,
adequate and correct information on reproductive health and human sexuality and should be
guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;
h. Reproductive health, including the promotion of breastfeeding, must be the joint concern
of the National Government and Local Government Units(LGUs);
i. Protection and promotion of gender equality, women empowerment and human rights,
including reproductive health rights, are imperative;
j. Development is a multi-faceted process that calls for the coordination and integration of
policies, plans, programs and projects that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people, more
particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;
l. Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health rights seek to promote not
only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples but those of adolescents’ and
children’s as well; and
m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is
punishable, the government shall ensure that women seeking care for post-abortion
complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and
compassionate manner.
SEC. 4. Definition of Terms. – For purposes of this Act, the following terms shall be defined
as follows:
a. Responsible Parenthood – refers to the will, ability and cornmitTrient of parents to respond
to the needs and aspirations of the family and children more particularly through family
planning;
b. Family Planning – refers to a program which enables couple, and individuals to decide
freely and responsibly the number and spacing of their children and to have the information
and means to carry out their decisions, and to have informed choice and access to a full range
of safe, legal and effective family planning methods, techniques and devices.
c. Reproductive Health -refers to the state of physical, mental and social well-being and not
merely the absence of disease or infirmity, in all matters relating to the reproductive system
and to its funcitions and processes. This implies that people are able to have a satisfying and
safe sex life, that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when
and how often to do so, provided that these are not against the law. This further implies that
women and men are afforded equal status in matters related to sexual relations and
reproduction.
d. Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of individuals and couples do decide
freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children; to make other
decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence; to have the
information and means to carry out their decisions; and to attain the highest standard of
sexual and reproductive health.
e. Gender Equality – refers to the absence of discrimination on the basis of a person’s sex, in
opportunities, allocation of resources and benefits, and access to services.
f. Gender Equity – refers to fairness and justice in the distribution of benefits and
responsibilities between women and men, and often requires. women-specific projects and
programs to eliminate existing inequalities, inequities, policies and practices unfavorable too
women.
g. Reproductive Health Care – refers to the availability of and access to a full range of
methods, techniques, supplies and services that contribute to reproductive and sexual health
and well-being by preventing and solving reproductive health-related problems in order to
achieve enhancement of life and personal relations. The elements of reproductive health care
include:
2. Promotion of breastfeeding;
6. Prevention and management of reproductive tract infections (RTIs), HIV/AIDS and other
sexually transmittable infections (STIs);
9. Treatment of breast and reproductive tract cancers and other gynecological conditions;
h. Reproductive Health Education – refers to the process of acquiring complete, accurate and
relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive system, its functions and
processes and human sexuality; and forming attitudes and beliefs about sex, sexual identity,
interpersonal relationships, affection, intimacy and gender roles. It also includes developing
the necessary skills do be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality;
and critically evaluate. and discuss the moral, religious, social and cultural dimensions of
related sensitive issues such as contraception and abortion.
k. Basic Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to lifesaving services for maternal complication
being provided by a health facility or professional which must include the following six
signal functions: administration of parenteral antibiotics; administration of parrenteral
oxyttocic drugs; administration of parenteral anticonvulsants for pre-eclampsia and iampsia;
manual removal of placenta; and assisted vaginal delivery.
l. Comprehensive Emergency Obstetric Care – refers to basic emergency obstetric care plus
two other signal functions: performance of caesarean section and blood transfusion.
m. Maternal Death Review – refers to a qualitative and in-depth study of the causes of
maternal death with the primary purpose of preventing future deaths through changes or
additions to programs, plans and policies.
o. Skilled Attendance – refers to childbirth managed by a skilled attendant under the enabling
conditions of a functional emergencyobstetric care and referral system.
q. Sustainable Human Development – refers to the totality of the process of expending human
choices by enabling people to enjoy long, healthy and productive lives, affording them access
to resources needed for a decent standard of living and assuring continuity and acceleration of
development by achieving a balance between and among a manageable population, adequate
resources and a healthy environment.
r. Population Development – refers to a program that aims to: (1) help couples and parents
achieve their desired family size; (2) improve reproductive health of individuals by
addressing reproductive health problems; (3) contribute to decreased maternal and infant
mortality rates and early child mortality; (4) reduce incidence of teenage pregnancy; and (5)
enable government to achieve a balanced population distribution.
SEC. 5. The Commission on Population (POPC0NI). – Pursuant to the herein declared
policy, the Commission on Population (POPCOM) shall serve as the central planning,
coordinating, implementing and monitoring body for the comprehensive and integrated
policy on reproductive health and population development. In the implementation of this
policy, POPCOM, which shall be an attached agency of the Department of Health (DOH)
shall have the following functions:
a. To create an enabling environment for women and couples to make an informed choice
regarding the family planning method that is best suited to their needs and personal
convictions;
c. To provide the mechanism to ensure active and full participation of the private sector and
the citizenry through their organizations in the planning and implementation of reproductive
health care and population development programs and projects;
d. To ensure people’s access to medically safe, legal, quality and affordable reproductive
health goods and services;
f. To fully implement the Reproductive Health Care Program with the following components:
(1) Reproductive health education including but not limited to counseling on the full range of
legal and medically-safe family planning methods including surgical methods;
(6) Provision of information and services addressing the reproductive health needs of the
poor, senior citizens, women in prostitution, differently-abled persons, and women and
children in war AND crisis situations.
g. To ensure that reproductive health services are delivered with a full range of supplies,
facilities and equipment and that service providers are adequately trained for reproductive
health care;
h. To endeavor to furnish local Family Planning Offices with appropriate information and
resources to keep the latter updated on current studies and research relating to family
planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition;
i. To direct all public hospitals to make available to indigent mothers who deliver their
children in these government hospitals, upon the mothers request, the procedure of ligation
without cost to her;
j. To recommend the enactment of legislation and adoption of executive measures that will
strengthen and enhance the national policy on reproductive health and population
development;
k. To ensure a massive and sustained information drive on responsible parenthood and on all
methods and techniques to prevent unwanted, unplanned and mistimed pregnancies, it shall
release information bulletins on the same for nationwide circulation to all government
departments, agencies and instrumentalities, non-government organizations and the private
sector, schools, public and private libraries, tri-media outlets, workplaces, hospitals and
concerned health institutions;
m. To take active steps to expand the coverage of the National Health Insurance Program
(NHIP), especially among poor and marginalized women, to include the full range of
reproductive health services and supplies as health insurance benefits; and
n. To perform such other functions necessary to attain the purposes of this Act.
The membership of the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM shall consist of the heads of
the following AGENCIES:
In addition to the aforementioned, members, there shall be three private sector representatives
to the Board of Commissioners of POPCOM who shall come from NGOs. There shall be one
(1) representative each from women, youth and health sectors who have a proven track record
of involvement in the promotion of reproductive health. These representatives shall be
nominated in a process determined by the above-mentioned sectors, and to be appointed by
the President for a term of three (3)years.
SEC. 6. Midwives for Skilled Attendance. -Every city and municipality shall endeavor to
employ adequate number of midwives or other skilled attendants to achieve a minimum ratio
of one (1)for every one hundred fifty (150) deliveries per year, to be based on the average
annual number of actual deliveries or live births for the past two years.
SEC. 7. Emergency Obstetric Care. – Each province. and city shall endeavor to ensure the
establishment and operation of hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel that provide
emergency obstetric care. For every 500,000 population, there shall be at least one (1)
hospital for comprehensive emergency obstetric care and four (4) hospitals for basic
emergency obstetric care.
SEC. 8. Maternal Death Review. – All LGUs, national and local government hospitals, and
other public health units shall conduct maternal death review in accordance with the
guidelines to be issued by the DOH in consultation with the POPCOM.
SEC. 11. Mobile Health Care Service. -Each Congressional District shall be provided with a
van to be known as the Mobile Health Care Service (MHOS) to deliver health care goods and
services to its constituents, more particularly to the poor and needy, as well as disseminate
knowledge and information on reproductive health: Provided, That reproductive health
education shall be conducted by competent and adequately trained persons preferably
reproductive health care providers: Provided, further, That the full range of family planning
methods, both natural and modern, shall be promoted.
The acquisition, operation and maintenance of the MRCS shall be funded from the Priority
Development Assistance Fund (PDAF) of each Congressional District.
The MHCS shall be adequately equipped with a wide range of reproductive health care
materials and information dissemination devices and equipment, the latter including but not
limited to, a television set for audio-visual presentation.
c. Attitudes, beliefs and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health;
e. Responsible parenthood.
f. Use and application of natural and modern family planning methods to promote
reproductive health, achieve desired family size and prevent unwanted, unplanned and
mistimed pregnancies;
h. Prevention and treatment of HIV/AIDS and other, STIs/STDs, prostate cancer, breast
cancer, cervical cancer and other gynecological disorders;
In support of the natural, and primary right of parents in the rearing of the youth, the
POPCOM shall provide concerned parents with adequate and relevant scientific materials on
the age-appropriate topics and manner of teaching reproductive health education to their
children.
In the elementary level, reproductive health education shall focus, among others, on values
formation.
SEC. 13. Additional Duty of Family Planning 0ffice. – Each local Family Planning Office
shall furnish for free instructions and information on family planning, responsible
parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition to all applicants for marriage license.
SEC. 14. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil
Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local
Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and
information on family planning, responsible parenthood, breastfeeding and infant nutrition.
SEC. 15. Capability Building of Community-Based Volunteer Workers. – Community-based
volunteer workers, like but not limited to, Barangay Health Workers, shall undergo additional
and updated training on the delivery of reproductive health care services and shall receive not
less than 10% increase in honoraria upon successful completion of training. The increase in
honoraria shall be funded from the Gender and Development (GAD) budget of the National
Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Department of Health (DOH) and the
Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG).
SEC. 16. Ideal Family Size. – The State shall assist couples, parents and individuals to
achieve their desired family size within the context of responsible parenthood for sustainable
development and encourage them to have two children as the ideal family size. Attaining the
ideal family size is neither mandatory nor compulsory. No punitive action shall be imposed
on parents having more than two children.
SEC. 17. Employers’ Responsibilities. – Employers shall respect the reproductive health
rights of all their workers. Women shall not be discriminated against in the matter of hiring,
regularization of employment status or selection for retrenchment.
All Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) shall provide for the free delivery by the
employer of reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to
all workers, more particularly women workers. In establishments or enterprises where there
are no CBAs or where the employees are unorganized, the employer shall have the same
obligation.
SEC. 18. Support of Private and Non-government Health Care Service Providers. – Pursuant
to Section 5(b) hereof, private reproductive health care service providers, including but not
limited to gynecologists and obstetricians, are encouraged to join their colleagues in non-
government organizations in rendering such services free of charge or at reduced professional
fee rates to indigent and low income patients.
SEC. 19. Multi-Media Campaign. – POPCOM shall initiate and sustain an intensified
nationwide multi-media campaign to raise the level of public awareness on the urgent need to
protect and promote reproductive health and rights.
SEC. 20. Reporting Requirements. – Before the end of April of each year,the DOH shall
submit an annual report to the President of the Philippines, the President of the Senate and the
Speaker of the House of Representatives on a definitive and comprehensive assessment of the
implementation of this Act and shall make the necessary recommendations for executive and
legislative action. The report shall be posted in the website of DOH and printed copies shall
be made available to all stakeholders.
a) Any health care service provider, whether public or private, who shall:
3. Refuse to provide reproductive health care services to an abused minor, whose abused
condition is certified by the proper official or personnel of the Department of Social Welfare
and Development (DSWD) or to duly DSWD-certified abused pregnant minor on whose case
no parental consent is necessary.
5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the
patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and
nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers
based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious
objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health
care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible:
Provided, finally, That the patient is not in an emergency or serious case as defined in RA
8344 penalizing the refusal of hospitals and medical clinics to administer appropriate initial
medical treatment and support in emergency and serious cases.
b) Any public official who prohibits or restricts personally or through a subordinate the
delivery of legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services, including family
planning;
c) Any employer who shall fail to comply with his obligation under Section 17 of this Act or
an employer who requires a female applicant or employee, as a condition for employment or
continued employment, to involuntarily undergo sterilization, tubal ligation or any other form
of contraceptive method;
d) Any person who shall falsify a certificate of compliance as required in Section 14 of this
Act; and
e) Any person who maliciously en ges in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this
Act.
SEC. 22. Penalties. – The proper city or municipal court shall exercise jurisdiction over
violations of this Act and the accused who is found guilty shall be sentenced to an
imprisonment ranging from one (1) month to six (6) months or a fine ranging from Ten
Thousand Pesos (P10,000.00) to Fifty Thousand Pesos (P50,000.00) or both such fine and
imprisonment at the discretion of the court. If the offender is a juridical person, the penalty
shall be imposed upon the president, treasurer, secretary or any responsible officer. An
offender who is an alien shall, after service of sentence, be deported immediately without
further proceedings by the Bureau of Immigration. An offender who is a public officer or
employee shall suffer the accessory penalty of dismissal from the government service.
Violators of this Act shall be civilly liable to the offended party in such amount at the
discretion of the proper court.
SEC. 23. Appropriations. – The amounts appropriated in the current annual General
Appropriations Act for reproductive health and family planning under the DOH and
POPCOM together with ten percent (10%) of the Gender and Development (GAD) budgets
of all government departments, agencies, bureaus, offices and instrumentalities funded in the
annual General Appropriations Act in accordance with Republic Act No. 7192 (Women in
Development and Nation-building Act) and Executive Order No. 273 (Philippine Plan for
Gender Responsive Development 1995-2025) shall be allocated and utilized for the
implementation of this Act. Such additional sums as may be necessary for the effective
implementation of this Act shall be Included in the subsequent years’ General Appropriations
Acts.
SEC. 24. Implementing Rules and Regulations. – Within sixty (60) days from the effectivity
of this Act, the Department of Health shall promulgate, after thorough consultation with the
Commission on Population (POPCOM), the National Economic Development Authority
(NEDA), concerned non-government organizations (NGOs) and known reproductive health
advocates, the requisite implementing rules and regulations.
SEC. 25. Separability Clause. – If any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or
unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and effect.
SEC. 26. Repealing Clause. – All laws, decrees, Orders, issuances, rules and regulations
contrary to or inconsistent with the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed, amended or
modified accordingly.
SEC. 27. Effectivity. – This Act shall take effect fifteen (15) days after its publication in at
least two (2) newspapers of national circulation.
UP School Of Economics : Population, Poverty, Politics and the Reproductive Health Bill
please vote:
catholic church is for natural family planning only; noynoy aquino is for open
choice of natural family planning or artificial family planning (choose only 2) (Poll
Closed)
i agree and support the catholic church 26.06%
i do not agree and do not support the catholic church on this one 18.81%
i do not agree and do not support noynoy aquino on this one 12.21%
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katherine malvar
February 16, 2010 at 7:10 pm | #1
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i would disagree of this bill because it gives every woman specially the teenager to
have the rights and free access to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother R.H
bill is not the answer to eliminate the our population it should be bias of this bill let us
remember that killing baby inside the womb it’s just like give us to free and legalized
the murder in our society baby is not an animal is a human and our constitution
mandated that every people has the right to fight for there freedom to live not killings.
In china abortion is legalized but we dont follow them because it will lead to put the
nation into fire’s of hell.
edhel
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In which part does this bill say that abortion is legalized? I think the bill is
reasonable.
Mario
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urak
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Contraceptives is a form of abortion? I think you are still living
in the dark ages! Ignorant fool!
vanillae
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Okay, I know you will not do that even over the phone,
so I will just tell you. Life begins at the moment of
conception. All honest scientists, constitutions, and
religions agree on that. Now, conception refers to to the
moment where the spermatozoon permeates the ovum.
The process is also called fertilization, although
contraceptive and abortion propagandists desperately
deny it.
down2one
Wilberg
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down2one
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vanillae
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down2one :
well then there
you go, let’s filter
out all
methods/medicine
s and allow only
those that act
before conception,
let’s make all
‘contraceptives
that in some cases
act as
abortifacients’
illegal.
Yes, that could be one.
But tax issue is another.
No more babies will die
from these contraceptives-
abortificients but all true
Catholics will still be
violated if the government
will use their tax pesos for
contraceptive purposes.
So another filtration will
be made — between
Catholic taxes and non-
Catholic taxes.
down2one
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no matter.
ultimately,
wouldn’t it be the
individual’s
choice? i mean
yeah let’s say my
employer hands
out a box of
condoms, the bill
doesn’t really state
that i will be
prosecuted if i
don’t use it, right?
MB
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nice comment
edgar
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in one way or
another, all of us
violet what the
Catholic Church
teaches. i believe
many catholic
believers knew
very little about
what our faith
teaches on such
issue. no wonder
that many easily
agrees on rhbill.
but some who
really
knowledgeable
enough of what
the Church
teaches, i admire
you. for those
nominal believers,
don’t speak too
much especially
against your faith,
for you do not
know your faith
yet. you are just
catholic by name
but not yet in
faith.
SaintPhilippic
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louis limjoco md
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jillie
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edwardokba
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enjiru
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silentfree
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pops
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jlocute
December 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #20
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goldenerro
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vanillae
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goldenerro :
Look at the provinces,
they have lesser people in
there because many goes
to urban for living.
I agree.
http://pinoyearner.wordpress.com
/2011/01/09/populasyon-at-pag-
unlad/
rockyroadlover
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kyogerXIII
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Agree to this totally, it’s
essentially information
dissemination after all,
and look at the health care
benefits that goes with
this bill. seriously, stop
staying in the dark ages
john doe
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non sense
Jerome B. Aparece
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Jerome B. Aparece
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edwardokba
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wawam
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vanillae
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edwardokba :
…it doesnt mean that
contraceptives are form of
abortion..
MARS
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Akon
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vanillae :
Ask the OCP and IUD companies (or
even the obstetricians) how these things
work, then come back to us and tell us
who is ignorant and fool.
Oh…and ask microbiologists also if you
still don’t understand.
Okay, I know you will not do that even
over the phone, so I will just tell you.
Life begins at the moment of conception.
All honest scientists, constitutions, and
religions agree on that. Now, conception
refers to to the moment where the
spermatozoon permeates the ovum. The
process is also called fertilization,
although contraceptive and abortion
propagandists desperately deny it.
Now, the Pill, IUD, and other
contraceptives make the uterine wall
hostile to the zygote (fertilized ovum),
and as a result, the human zygote dies
and is being flashes outside the womb.
In short, millions of human beings are
being killed using the so-called
contraceptives.
Any protests? I’ll go back with the
previous suggestions.
rain
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and what do you know about the dark ages? in fact a lot
of great minds lived during that time without them we
would not have the foundation to what we know today.
ok
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tamz
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Jerome Aparece
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sting
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I agree…
fool
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Giovanni
March 24, 2011 at 11:53 am | #39
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Ken
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cong
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thom
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how come the contraceptives becme a medicine?is there an
illness that needs to be cured?
jopz
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edgar
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edwardokba
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WTF!!.. IT DOESNT MEAN THAT IT USE AS AN
ABORTIFACIENT.. CONTRACEPTIVES LIKE PILLS
HAVE A THERAPEUTIC EFFECT OTHER THAN
PREVENTING PREGNANCY, BUT IT MAY BE
BENEFICIAL TO THOSE WHO HAVE A IRREGULAR
MENSTRUAL CYCLE WHICH FERTILITY IS DIFFICULT..
THINK ABOUT IT..
john doe
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koko
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you have just give the best good result about what you
have just learned or known.but the side effect of that
contraceptives is much worst than you have thought…
koko
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dee
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lily
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lily
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cooper
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ja.
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tomprober
IrvinDgreat
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Teresa
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zatho
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TERESA,
junmar
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korek.. i believe that these bill will contribute a lot, and help
minimized the problems being face by the country.. and i believe that
the bill has enough reason why they need to pursue it.!!
soundjudgment
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Obviously you did not read the entire bill. It clearly states that abortion will
remain a crime, but caring for women who underwent post abortion will be
given in a humane and compassionate way. This bill shows that the country is
headed in a progressive way in enforcing the rights of women. Actually, not
only women, but couples and all individuals who want to have better access to
information for family planning which does not limit to the “ineffective
rhythm method” but to other methods/devices for birth control. This bill will
ensure the prevention of widespread STDs and infanticide for the marginalized
groups.
justathought
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What do you want then, treat them as harshly as possible or worse, let
them die? do you honestly think that this is just?
John
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vanillae
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No, the RH bill does not “clearly” states that abortion will remain a
crime. Besides, it does not have the power to decide whether it will
remain a crime; only a change in the Constitution can make that.
Instead, it just recognizes the “status of abortion” in the Philippine law.
Actually, the line, “as abortion remains a crime and is punishable,” is
deceptive. It conditions the mind of the readers that the bill confirms
the absolute criminality of abortion, while it does not and it cannot.
The purpose is to make it look like an anti-abortion bill. In reality, the
law on abortion “may” change; it just needs a charter change. One of
the problems with just reading the text of HB5043 is that it would be
more difficult to see the intentions of those who “really” wrote it and
what are the influences behind it.
Do we really need to have an additional law in order for the health care
providers to be humane and compassionate? Do we need another bill
just to have the government give enough budget for the facilities
needed to treat post-abortion complications? And where is the right of
women placed in the bill? Who really profit from condom, the pill,
IUDs and other contraceptives? Is it not those men who cannot master
their flesh and those who look at their wives as if they are sex gadgets
— objects of pleasure?
But one of those things that puzzle me the most is the concept of STD
protection. These are my questions: [1] How absolute is the protection
that condom use gives to prevent STDs? Of course, it is not 100% even
if it is used 100% correct. Why would a law encourage people to risk
their health just to have sex? What it suggests is that man should
accept that self-mastery is a fantasy. “Why suffer no-sex even when
you are sick if you can protect yourself and others by using condom?”
Is it not the idea? Okay, let us assume that it is impossible for human to
control sexual urge, what do you think will happen to him if his/her
whole body are already blisters and ulcers, can he still have sex? Will
he die if he cannot? Will they design a whole body condom for him?
This bill pushes people to degrade themselves instead of helping them
recognize their true dignity as person. [2] And why, why, why do the
proponents of this bill propose that condom use will protect couples
from infecting each other? Where would the infection come from?
Why would your husband or your wife be infected by STDs if you are
not sick? Some fools might say, “It is just for protection.” You would
protect yourself from your partner because you think there might be a
possibility that you both do not know that he/she is infected? Come on!
That is so, so, so insensitive! If you want to be sure that the person you
will marry is not sick, is it not wise to have a checkup before the
wedding instead of throwing away money to the trash bin together with
semen when you are already married? If this was done and both of you
were proven healthy, why would you need to protect yourselves from
STDs? Those billions of peso that the government will use to satisfy
men’s carnal and irresponsible desires can surely create livelihood and
dignified life for the citizens instead. Even unholy fathers know what
to give to a child if he/she is asking for a fish or an egg. If your child
asks of these from you, will you give him condom or pill instead? I
will not. But can good character, industry, self-mastery, and generosity
help a family? It can and it will.
Do we still need to discuss the other parts of the text? I already read
the bill way back to its first publication on http://jlp-law.com, and I
still repeatedly read it. I even proofread and corrected my copy, which
all of the online sources I saw do not (or at least failed to notice the
errors). The principle of the bill applies to the whole document; that is
to say, the intentions of those who wrote it are clear in every word that
was used through the entire script. And what is this principle?
DECEPTION. Representative Edcel Lagman can help us prove that.
The congressman insists that “fertilization of the ovum is not the same
or synonymous to conception.” The purpose of the claim is to prove
that RH bill does not violate Article II Section 12 of the 1987
Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, which says, “The State
shall protect human life from the moment of conception.” Again, I am
not a doctor but I am not medically illiterate either. And besides, this is
not the only part of the Constitution that RH bill attempts to violate.
Trisha
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vanillae
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raye
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vanillae
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goldenerro
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John
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@vanillae,
I just want to second the motion
regarding what you’ve said,
because you’re definitely right,
population is not the problem,
and we are not poor because of
overpopulation, let me sight an
example, what about China,
China I think has the most
quantity in terms of population
yet they are a progressing
country, it is because people and
government there choose to solve
the problem by thinking of good
and beneficial solution and not by
passing a law for a “problem”
that is really not a problem and
what vanillae have said, may
really not exist. poverty is not
because of population, it is
people choose to be poor and
government choose it to let it be
just that way. RH bill is not
needed by this or by any country.
jerico
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NAC
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Did I get you correct raye that husband
can only have coitus with his wife for
purposes of child bearing?
wawam
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krissyinthecity
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down2one
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vanillae
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down2one :
‘self-mastery’ would include the
right to make your own choice.
so if you take away someone’s
right to choose, you take away
their ‘self-mastery’, wouldn’t you
think so?
down2one
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vanillae
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down2one :
so by that
definition, people
who cannot
consciously
control their
behavior (people
with psychological
disabilities for
example) are less
human and more
animal? i don’t
think you’d agree
with that at all.
down2one
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but if they do
choose (or give in,
or whatever) to
their uh… carnal
instincts, but act
on them in a
manner that is
responsible or
moral. wouldn’t
that would make
them intellectual
masters of
themselves?
i would call it
intellectual
maturity (or
whatever), and i
would even rank it
higher than ‘self-
mastery’
pomum
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very smart.
matt
May 12, 2011 at 12:43 am | #79
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leslie mae
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edgar
oh really? but still, all sorts of arguments cannot hold water. are you
sure that this bill will really ensure the prevention of widespread STD?
from where did you get that assurance? i suppose the contrary is true.
for each of us who is inclined on sex would do it every time the urges
come. the holes of condom for instance, is bigger than sperm. so if
that’s the case, how could you prevent STD? PRE, go back to basic,
self control. make these people busy…meaning, give them something
to do, that is work.that would surely help them. and the must important
thing that the authority must do is to level up the standard or quality of
education. that education is not about so much focus on sex as what
they do today, but real one. how can you prevent the young not to be
curious about sex if at their younger age you already awaken their
mind of such activity which only adults are supposed to know? to tell
you, there is time for everything. there are more serious problems in
our country that are in need of urgent attention by our government.
after all, what is beyond this rh bill? it’s more on money dudes… again
and again…corruption is the root. everything is rooted in the heart of
man.
goldenerro
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why you people always believe that the government is too good
that it can always take care of you? all the politicians and
bureaucrats want is your tax money.
Jerome Aparece
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NAC
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tomprober
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wawam
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PJ
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nope, in some way this Bill is good i think you should read the bill again for
you to understand because abortion also remain as a crime it is punishable
vanillae
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You are being deceived by the wordings of this bill. It has no power to
make abortion legal even if it choose to. Only a charter change can
make that.
pomum
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must be “against abortion” but what would happen to those who have
undergone abortion? the people will even more get encouraged
because the government will take care of them.
tart gomez
October 5, 2010 at 9:55 am | #90
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hahahahaha you dont understand the bill.. how come that teenagers has a free
access to abort baby.. the bill is about contraceptives… hello… read it first
dami mong alam tanga
Arthur
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Forbid me, but I would say that this RH Bill is for killers..
If this policy will be observe in our country, we will be oblige to kill, to
become murderers of the unborn..remember, thou shall not Kill..
If you are a Catholic Christian or a Christian who lives with the Faith in
Christ, the Bread of Life, the Son of God, you must not adhere to this Bill….. I
warn you, the RH Bill is a rebellion against God, the Source of Life..
Praticallity?
Overpopulation is not really the problem of our country.. There are countries
like Japan who have great number of people but have small land area yet they
manage to become a Tiger economy country.. We have preferable population-
land area ratio than that of japan..
In fact, population is an asset for a country.. Even on Ancient times until now,
the pioneering country for civilization are those who have great number of
population..
Health?
According to study, the HIV Virus is 5 times smaller than the diameter of the
hole of a finest rubber… So, how can a condom prevent the disease?
o
MJGS
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abortion is not the solution neither the use of artificial contraceptives. instead
of squandering the budget on the harmful waste that the “1st world countries”
wanted to dump on us better construct new high ways,schools and public
hospital as well increase the budget of the social services. the rh bill is
diabolical since those persons who are in favour embraces the luciferian
doctrines. conduct your research over at you tube, where there are many
videos exposing the agenda of the satanic new world order. sad to say,there
are world leaders involved in this. if we value our sovereignity of the nation,
reject the rh bill before those with evil designs take over our national resources
and lives. it promotes promiscuos behaviour too and the myth of safe sex
which is so abdsurd!
Mr. X
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“our constitution mandated that every people has the right to fight for there
freedom to live” – it is correct. but as far as i know, from what i have read,
legalizing abortion or killing is not what this bill is trying to implement. don’t
be too narrow minded, open up your mind. RH Bill only gives us an option
which is applicable in our daily lives. remember, only an option. still it is our
own will should be followed.
MARS
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I agree with you…. some people are so narrow minded….. they always
think negative…. Now ask those people why they are suffering poverty
they answer ” kulang sa budget ang kinikita ko, wala sila makain at
dahil sa gobyerno na corrupt” but ask them this Ilan yung anak mo? ”
6″ “8″ “10″… yun pala nagihirap ka eh… alam mo na kulang na ang
budget mo pinarami mo pa ang anak mo….
zatho
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bro, the rh bill is not an option, it does not give you a choice. it has
mandatory provisions. which removes the choice of people, who
believe that that parents are primary responsible for the moral
upbringing of their children. It makes it mandatory for all school
children from grade 5 to fourth year high school to attend lessons
which inherently includes how to use condoms, contraceptives, and
thereby teaches them that it is right to use these devices. these
teachings fall under the moral upbringing principle. the rh bill will
prevent and preempt the parents from exercising their right to teach
their children the values about self discipline, self control. The rh bill
counter-acts these moral values. it will teach children to do use
condoms, pills etc. if you can not control your sex urges.. rather than
teach them how to control these urges.
wawam
John
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krizien estrella
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RH bill doesnt talk about legalizing abortion, its about wise decisions and
controlling population. it focuses in using contraceptives and not aborting..
pls. think about what you are commenting…
Artemis Fowl
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With all due respect, Section 3 paragraph (m) of the Bill pertinently provides:
“…While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains
a crime and is punishable..” The Bill does not legalize the act of abortion
neither does it promote the act stating that abortion remains a crime that is
punishable by law. It must be emphasized that this proposed legislation puts a
premium on the health and welfare of women by providing them with
necessary information and the means to decide for themselves the number of
children that they would have.
I request you therefore to carefully read the law first before making any hasty
generalization. You must remember that you are not helping in the pursuit of
an enlightened debate on the subject but rather causes confusion that misleads
our fellow Filipinos.
Thank you.
GISING
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John
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rad
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If you do not agree to the RH BIll and if you think that it is not an answer to
population control, than what is? Please don’t tell me that there should be self-
control because it is apparent in our society that there is no self-control and we
cannot change what is human nature. This is the reason why RH Bill is passed
because people could not control themselves. Let alone husbands who demand
to practice their rights. I, myself, do not agree with the abortion part but that is
why there are informed choices. The number of our population versus the
income that each family is gaining is way out of balance. I am a catholic but I
don’t see any action from the catholic church to alleviate poverty. Who
provides livelihood programs? The government. The government is the one
who finds ways to enhance our way of living. This is the same way. The
government is only there to ensure that the citizens of the country can have a
better future. If you have gone to the mountains where most people are
illiterate, you will see most of them with, at least, a dozen children. Their
reason? So that their children could work in the future and provide for them
when they grow old and, mind you, these children could not be sent to school
due to poverty. I also have seen several parents who physically abuse their
children because they think it is discipline.These people are not ready for
children, they had children because it is a part of marriage. Now, tell me,
which is the greater evil? To control the population or to let the children be
brought to the world without ensuring their future? Poverty is everywhere in
our country, the government does everything in it’s power (minus the
corruption) to alleviate this. What does the catholic church do about this?
Well, they provide outreach programs. Yes, it helps but temporarily. Give a
man fish and you feed him for a day but teach the man how to fish and you’ll
feed him for a lifetime. This is what most people fail to see, the positive side
of it. If the RH Bill should be passed it is to help the citizens of this country
and if someone decides to have an abortion, it is not the governments fault but
that will be the sin of the one who acted upon it. Temptation will always be
there and it is not a sin. Temptation only becomes a sin when you give in to it.
You really can’t expect your children to wear chastity belts, would you?
Prudence and self-control can be taught by the parents and not by the
government.
opinion ko lng
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“Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of a
fetus or embryo from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death.” so where
is the “abortion” during intercourse using contraceptives? and if i’m right, you
have the power to choose from natural or in modern way for family planning.it
doesn’t mean that”we” who are pro RH bill don’t believe in god our creator.
Pero mas kasalanan ata na mag anak ka ng mag anak tapos hindi mo na
maibibigay ang pangangailangan ng bawat anak mo? sasabihin mo ngaun “e di
wag mag anak ng madami” there is the point, family planning. ed under yun
ng RH bill. Still it’s up to you kung pano mo gagawin ang family planning. isa
pa, cguro ayos lang na pag aralan ang topic na ito sa school at dapat may
guidance din ng magulang, oo ndi dapat gobyerno ang nagtuturo nito sa atin,
pero lahat ba ng magulang e open pag usapan ang mga ganitong bagay?
parang hindi naman. para rin ito sa ikabubuti ng ating bayan.
janice
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RH bill does not promote abortion, please read with understanding! RH bill is
to protect every woman, children s health! i agree
milden ponce
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Sammie
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But it said: “Prevention of abortion and management of post-abortion
complications”. If unwanted pregnancy could be avoided, then the need for
abortion could be minimized.
yssa
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“it gives every woman specially the teenager to have the rights and free access
to abort the baby inside the womb of the mother” are insane? you didnt read
the RH bill carefully.. abortion is not legal in Phil…so if this constitution have
been said anything about it (you imply).. its contradict dude..;(
villa
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Roel Maraya
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Kathrine, please be reminded that it’s a crime when you swiftly heave a
brickbat on something without fully understanding it. Avoid giving comments
based on your selfish vista. Read with comprehension and give out justifiable
comments on this matter and all the issue you would like to throw comments
to. God bless you!
o
Roel Maraya
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aquamermaid
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The RH bill does not give anyone the right to abortion. Abortion will still be a
crime punishable by law. RH bill will give free information on family
planning and healthcare. What is so wrong with that? Should the information
only be for the benefit of the rich and the poor be damned?
Talk to your maids and factory workers. They have so many children and no
way to support them. At least give them a choice in life. Let them have the
opportunity to live a comfortable life. In the end, it is still their choice whether
or not to follow. But to inform them is not wrong at all.
I am Catholic and I love God, but this does not stop me from opening my eyes
to the reality of life- which is poverty.
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This is just stupid, all of you can oppose the RH bill but when women get
raped you have a bigger chance getting charity from a street dog than the
church, blaming the poor no not the poor just the overwhelming number of
people around the phils rich or poor when you’ve got a tree that only gives 5
fruits a day and then you decide to make a another baby to feed from a family
of five it turns to six is 5 fruits gonna be enough be an idiot and talk back to
that. Moral faggots that what a lot of people are that’s why the philippines is
still the way it is no one ever like to think in numbers EVER it’s always
treasure this and treasure that(ooh so great the Filipino Value is) that’s why
every sing sane person is desperate to get out of the country total hypocrites
these people are they choose to keep the people ignorant to continue there own
beliefs but when a beggar steps in front of there door every hides and asks the
helpers to shoo them away you people should be ashamed of your selves. Lets
keep the filipino way ooh yeah that’s a great idea don’t ever change it not even
a single bit you don’t need statistics and fact to prove this one that’s why all
show are filled to the Brim with God and Values and have been nothing but a
cycle of drama,comedy,horror,drama,drama DRAMA but when you take look
outside the street does anybody shelter the woman with 8 children ooh no let’s
stay away from her she’d just stink up the whole house hypocrites all of you.
All of you can keep on trying to fool yourselves by preventing this BIll and
keeping the populace ignorant Heck Ban contraception from Condoms to Pills
for all I care the philippines can just implode in itself no talk of Nationalism or
Patriotism here not when the person next to you would try to steal your stuff if
he/she could if given the chance, face Filipinos can sound all noble and
justified in their speeches but one only needs to walk in the streets and ask
anybody outside to find the truth out. Go ahead Philippines drop the RH bill
be filled with clueless voters the more desperate and poor people exist the
more politicians can pay to have them selves elected every time
Did I mention that the news suck 25% is full of nothing but ridiculous and
worthless controversies of actors(how is that news?) cause life for the avarage
filipino is so boring and worthless they have to latch them selves to the lives
of celebrities
2.
swan princess
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i wholeheartedly agree with this bill. it’s time to curb our population growth.
population explosion is a real issue that we must address before it goes out of hand.
population control may not be the be-all solution to our present woes, but it will take
us a long way towards real development. more people means more mouths to feed,
more food to produce, and more government money allocated for the welfare of these
people. it thus compromises the quality of life of the filipinos.
to those who say that it’s anti-life and pro-abortion, read the text of the bill again. and
get dictionaries if you don’t understand some terms.
Anna
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This bill is not a solution to the population growth problem of the Phil.
Discipline is. Killing the unborn is just Inhumane. Premarital is just Immoral.
Plus as if Filipino people don’t use contraceptives, they do and still, look
around, the population problem is still present.
proud mama
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vanillae
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Trisha
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nonsequitur
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thewallonthefly
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Wilberg
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“It is not an established scientific
fact. If it was, the whole abortion
debate would be over. But it’s
not.”
down2one
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one question:
darwin’s theory was
debunked? really? says
who?
Wilberg
October 7, 2010 at
1:48 pm | #122
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I don’t want to
leave you
wondering,
though.
Darwin believes
that life is an
undirected
process. He called
this process
“natural
selection”. A
Darwinian named
Ernst Haeckel
even declared that
the cell is just a
“simple little lump
of albuminous
combination of
carbon.”
The discovery of
DNA, on the other
hand, proves
otherwise. Man’s
life has an
intelligent design.
Despite the
scientific and
established
discoveries,
natural selection is
still under debates.
idol
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Skyjet
November 26, 2010 at 10:29 pm |
#124
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vanillae
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Reginel
January 21, 2011 at 2:18 pm | #126
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John
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nonsequitur
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butterfly19
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NAC
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skyjet
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Tell me proud mama, what values can the children get about
sex education? And if the Mother’s life is at risk, then have
faith in God. It is up to the mother if she choses to let her baby
die or let the baby live and she die. FAITH IN GOD IS THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING WHEN LIFE COMES IN A
DILEMMA!
Jose
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joe
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Joall
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John
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en05
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Trisha
Those who reproduce at an incredible rate are those who cannot afford
proper contraception and do not have access to reliable information.
click
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Im not a Law Maker pero surely we can think of laws that can
make marriage, and parenting stronger. halimbawa magaasawa
ka, bago kayo maaprubahan kailangan nyong pumunta sa City
Hall for background check, counseling, at kung ilan ang
PWEDE MONG MAGING ANAK depende sa income nyo AT
hindi maaaprubahan ang kasal nyo kung wala ang
pagpapatunay na dumaan kayo d2. Pano kung leave in lang,
then mag set sila ng ultimatum na within 3 months (palagay
natin) kailangan mong makasal (at upang makasal sasailalim
din sila din sa BACKGROUND CHECK ) na kapag di nila
ginawa ay may karampatang parusa. ano ung parusa? yan ang
dapat pagisipan ng mga Law Makers, pinaupo natin sila jan
dahil yan ang trabaho nila.
aso
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thewallonthefly
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Wilberg
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koko
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inAAA
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LOOK AROUND, do people have enough discipline? We cannot
control people anymore. We need to be practical. If the church doesn’t
want contraception, so let them explain harder to the church-goers. But
technically, we all have the freedom of choice. RH BILL IS A BIG
STEP TO DEVELOPMENT.
vanillae
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Define practicality.
koko
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o
vanillae
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Malthusian theory was already proven wrong a long time ago. It just happened
that contraceptive propagandists relish the sound of their names. Condoms,
pills, IUDs, cervical caps, and dead babies are their daily bread. What we must
address before it go out of hand are the government’s Mafia and those
individual robbers who snatch from us more than half of our wealth. The most
valid question here that everybody should ask is, “I pay may taxes, why do I
see people dying from hunger?”
More people means more mouths to feed, more food to produce, and MORE
MANPOWER TO WORK — to produce food, to build, to sustain the land.
Less new generations mean more old ones. Do you know what it implies?
More senile, more unemployed, more mouths to feed, and MORE
GOVERNMENT MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THE WELFARE OF THESE
PEOPLE.
To those who say that RH bill is not anti-life, get medical dictionaries if you
don’t understand some terms.
And this has always been my question: If you understand that human life
begins at the moment of conception, and that conception is just a layman’s
term of fertilization, and that some contraceptives prevents this zygote (human
being) from implanting itself to the uterine wall to sustain his life and to grow,
then why could you not understand that this bill is anti-life? Besides,
contraception in practice obviously means “fighting against life”, although
they say that it just prevents conception. This is for everybody: If you are
aware that contraceptives actually kill human beings, and you think that it is
time to curb our population growth, the extreme but sad question is, “Why not
kill your parents and grandparents who are not more or less than human than
an unborn child? And why not kill yourself too?” Does it not give you a
VERY negative feeling to hear this? I actually feel nauseous about the idea. It
gives me goosebumps every time I ask that question. Why, then, these people
who clearly understand that some contraceptives are actually abortifacient, and
those people who promotes abortion as alternative if contraception failed, do
not get these negative feelings? Simple — because what’s important to them is
that they are alive, and it does not really matter who will die.
Trisha
I’m young, yes, but I understand the terms in this bill, I understand
abortion procedures, and I understand the human condition. I certainly
disagree with parts of this bill, but I believe that over-all, it’s probably
one of the best things that could happen to this country.
click
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she
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I really agree with what this guy has just said. IT IS
NOT MORAL. Imagine your daughter legally having
sex with her boyfriend and she’s like really young. I
could just see the country slowly becoming a very dirty
and sinful.. this bill may have it’s pluses but there
definitely is A LOT MORE NEGATIVE SIDE
EFFECTS.. just think of morality.. think of little
children and their young minds.. they aren’t ready for
this kind of thing..
anti-illogicals
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vanillae
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hello
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John
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inAAA
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vanillae
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down2one
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fail
tomato
October 22, 2010 at 11:22 am | #159
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vanillae
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John
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thewallonthefly
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Moral values are relative, something I keep saying.
down2one
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exactly.
vanillae
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down2one :
exactly.
still, the statistics of premarital
pregnancies and induced
abortions are rising each year.
it clearly implies that the
church’s methods are not
working.
down2one :
“If you cannot control yourself,
the government’s gotta give you
options.”
down2one
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reading is fun
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Philonanymous
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vanillae
January 2, 2011 at
12:41 am | #168
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Philonany
mous :
If you
cannot
control
your kids
from
fighting
you teach
them how
to argue
with sense
till them
come to a
conclusion
or a
compromis
e or “fight
with
sense”.
vanillae
January 2, 2011 at 12:32
am | #169
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Philonanymous
January 2, 2011 at
1:21 pm | #170
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” You have
focused on the
“killing” instead
of on the gloves. It
shows that you are
not used to
analogies which
are very important
in debates like
this.”
Bituin
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Tessa
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Excuse me, Bituin. But if you don’t want
to be called narrow-minded, you should
at least consider that MORALITY IS
NOT UNIVERSAL. Every nations,
every peoples, have different cultures
and different values. How can you
IMPOSE on others what is right when
they have their own stands on what they
know is right? You must think that
morality is not the same across different
cultures. Alam mo ba kung bakit may
mga taong PRO-RH bill at ANTI-RH
bill?? Kasi for them, morality is
RELATIVE. Think again.
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vanillae
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When can you say, and who will say, that an action is right or
wrong?
When is wrong right, and when is right wrong?
jlocute
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down2one
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hi nice speech i have a question about the
prayer part.
jlocute
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down2one
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how do you even know that god’s
plan is to abstain and not have
sex?
sex is the way to procreation, as i
understand it.
jlocute
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2 Tim 3:1-4
2 Tim 3:12-13
down2one
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thanks, i always
love people
quoting stuff from
books.
i have a quote too:
deuteronomy
14:8-9
“And the pig,
because it parts
the hoof but does
not chew the cud,
is unclean for you.
Their flesh you
shall not eat, and
their carcasses you
shall not touch.”
so i guess
everyone who has
eaten pork is
definitely going to
hell yeah? i guess
we’re all doomed
unless we’re
muslims (because
they don’t eat
pork) or we’re
vegetarians.
anyway… let’s
ignore books for
now because it
isn’t really
relevant to my
question.
now there’s
something close to
an answer.
let’s say that this
is somehow
proven to be true,
how do we even
come to recognize
the ‘answers’ that
god gives us?
jlocute
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Philonanymous
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Philonanymous
January 5, 2011 at
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koko
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imariachi
skyjet
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i dont think that over population is the root problem. I dont agree with it. It’s
the corruption, its more about money, that’s the thing most politicians really
want. The real thing about hunger is that no ones gonna work for food.
Development does not always mean a good advantage. More money not
allocated for the welfare of the people, its for the building of mansions. How
come it is a responsible parenthood if you as a parent killing an unborn, an
underdeveloped being, does the thing you do is making a life? or just making a
fun?
goldenerro
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the problem lies on your stance that it is the duty of the government to take
care each of us. go back to your senses and pull back self worth and self
respect because you must work to feed your ownself and family, not the
government feeding all of us.
3.
szadeck
March 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm | #189
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the bill still says that abortion is illegal and punishable. And furthermore it is more on
the empowerment of women. The bill is reasonable.
click
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This bill poisons the women to many side effects of the pills in many aspects
but more importantly, morally (degrading them by letting them sacrifice their
health by taking that drug knowing the risk it myt cause just because their
male partner doesnt want to use a condom because you know, its thick, it
doesnt feel natural, cant feel that pleasure…for that shallow reason, so what
are you now, a self empowered woman?? haha right ). We already have
access to many contraceptives without the need of this bill. We dont have to
give access to everyone coz it myt b abused. We can just pin point those
irresponsible parents who really need it,like parents that has many kids in
some rural areas , squat areas, and of course with guidance, counseling and
stronger punishment from our Gov’t. Being a parent is not like when you play
PlayStation “ooopps I failed, push reset button, let’s play it again” thats why it
needs a lot of your time, check the girlfriend/boyfriend’s family background,
then a lot of counseling before you go to marriage and honeymoon.INUUNA
NYO KASI HONEYMOON, and guys isnt it FAMILY PLANNING should
be like COUNSELING THING not taking drugs.
inAAA
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vanillae
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Educates about?
SaintPhilippic
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markgregorio
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i think this will not help the problems of the country especially those spreading
premarital sex resulting to single parenthood…i have not at present two
friends(girl)who is a single mom…..Who do not know how to resolve their
problem…w8 4 my next comment on this…
5.
richarddr1234
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Bah! Its old people, invalids and gays that are causing this population problem, not
the unborn. Just legalize slave labor and work the old buggers and homos to death,
that should solve it, we spend so much just keeping them alive.
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As far as I’m aware, two women or two men are unable to have children of
their own. Most old people when of a certain age are unable to as well. How
can they be causing this population problem? Clearly, it is ignorant people,
such as yourself, who are laying waste to this country.
down2one
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jnews
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An inspiring vision of human life, the beauty of marriage and the joy of parenthood
are what are positively offered by the Church, although the Church’s doctrine is too
often perceived as a series of prohibitions and retrograde positions. The marriage act,
likewise, by which husband and wife are united in chaste intimacy, and by means of
which human life is transmitted, is noble and worthy. Ergo, the Church, by all means,
defends the dignity of human life.
On the other hand, the government, by virtue of the RH Bill 5043, objectifies an end
directing to uphold and promote respect for human life. The end of this bill is
undoubtedly for the common good of the suffering Filipinos. It deliberately aims to
lessen if not totally erase the reigning rage of poverty throughout the Philippine
territory. By this, it follows that the bill, in itself, is intrinsically good for it directs to
good. However, digging deeper to every single act of this bill, there are unfortunately
erroneous means of foregoing as such that might strongly defy the human nature in its
entirety and thus cause an ambiguous reasoning. The end of the bill is generally to
uphold and promote human life, but what lie in its means are numbers of irrational
reasoning such that the dictate of reason doesn’t conform to the dictate of practical
reason. The bill for instance, aims to safeguard human life, whereas in section nine
and 10 is willfully and knowingly stated that family planning methods requiring
hospital services, like tubal ligation, vasectomy and intra-uterine device insertion,
among others, shall be available in all national and local government hospitals, and
that hormonal contraceptives, injectables and other allied ‘reproductive health
products’ if they may refer to it that way, shall be considered under the category of
essential medicines. As a matter of fact, almost present in every section of the bill, is
the blatant emphasis of widening and spreading, in a full range, the promotion of
reproductive health services and supplies (e.g.;tubal ligation, vasectomy, IUD,
contraceptives), which in one way or another, summarizes the purpose of this bill.
By this point comes the opposition of the Church. First is the concept of the beginning
of human life, which has been, for so long, contradictory between the Church and
science. Then, it (bill) is morally wrong for it violates right reasoning which is to take
the human nature completely. It is a form of a mutilation of the body, hence,
destroying human nature integrally. It is also to be feared that the man, growing used
to the employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to conjugal
infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical
equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrumental good of
selfish achievement of pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved
companion. These are just but few unseen if not apparent morally wrong
consequences – if it’s the consequences that they are after to in enforcing the bill- of
the means of this so-called reproductive health bill.
The Church, or that morality doesn’t agree to the proposition of the bill that demands
to give a free choice to the couple whether to engage or not to either of the different
forms of family-planning, for it would mean deliberately allowing them to have a
choice to morally evil decisions. Why not abstain, says the Church. Why not? In fact,
people in married life are supposed to be matured enough with their will and
knowledge. Provided that maturity has been garnered by them, abstinence then is not
a question. Besides, there vow of conjugal love is revealed at this kind of matters.
Nevertheless, there may be differences of beliefs or concepts between these two social
institutions, but it shouldn’t be denied and disregarded that they indeed also share
things in common. Furthermore, the common end present amongst both is the
promotion and respect for human life. It is a moral good. It certainly upholds right
reasoning. What differs is simply the means of pursuing this end, which should both
conform to one another – towards the common good, that is. Apparently, the
mentioned reproductive health services and supplies cannot be allowed, not only by
the church but by morality itself. There are, however, still other matters or means
stated in the RH Bill, namely; abstinence before marriage (Sec. 12), Section 3b and
many others. These are already bound for admission both to promoting human life,
and much more, a moral life. Finally, at this kind of matters, the means conforms to
the end. There are no longer contradictions between the morality and this bill.
vanillae
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There is no real contradiction between science and the Catholic Faith simply
because science is knowledge, and all true knowledge comes from God, while
the Faith is a revelation from God. The conflict is just between ignorant
scientists like Darwin, and the knowledge of God.
There would be no middle ground for the bill and the Church for if the bill
conforms with the Church, it would instantly stop to exist.
filo
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If you think that this bill will lead to irresponsible parenthood, then
you didn’t teach your children well enough to make the responsible
teenagers.
Wilberg
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haha
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Could you please explain “true knowledge”, and how it came from
God? Is it because Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge of good
and evil, and God punished them because he wants them to disregard
that symbolic knowledge for them to know a certain type of “true
knowledge?”
I know I’m being off-topic here but I’m hoping that you could answer
my question.
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laverne
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this bill does not promote responsible parenthood. it will just add to irresponsible
parenthood because by allowing the use of contraceptives, sons and daughters,
especially the adolescents are free to engage in sexual relationships. Parents will
never worry if their children are engaged in pre-marital sex because they think that
with the use of contraceptives it guarantees their children will not end with early
parenthood. This bill makes sex as a normal activity taken without any sanctity. Is it
good that man and woman today will do sex always, with different partners? Sex can
only be done in the context of marriage, if and only if the state supports this idea, then
there will be no problem at all. In the context of marriage, there is no unwanted
pregnancy which is one of the bill’s goal to solve. Why the promotion of
contraceptives?
vanillae
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I completely agree.
justagirl
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eh pano naman po kung madami ng anak ung mag asawa? tpos nag sex
sila, edi shempre may possibility na mabuntis ung babae.. pano kung
hindi na nila ma afford na magkaroon pa ng anak, ndi ba sila pwedeng
gumamit ng condom? kasi ang condom daw ay for abortion… ganun
po ba?
tester1084
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tester1084
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Do you know that in that case you’re not only punishing those who will have
sex but also the children they are going have? How naive. I wish you were
born by irresponsible parents so you know how it feels to be an “unwanted
child”. Grow up and wake up.
John
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Neigyl R. Noval
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There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the
bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to
have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be
aware of this:
Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for
either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread
so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly
inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
–> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented
purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes
more wealth for the rich.
Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious
beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED
INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes pre-
marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc. Anyway,
we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional
private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not
involves?
Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people,
more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the
quality of life?
Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government
shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS
shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts the Law
of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this
statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.
Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and
responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have
children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental and
social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE
SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to
DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not
against the law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction
includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how
often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not
against the law as long as no one saw them.
Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to
obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many
irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may
become better for the people and logical.
stan da man
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I like your comments Neigyl. The details are great. I think the reason behid the
vagueness and irregularities of this bill is that provisions like natural birth
control, anti-abortion, abstinence before marrairage, and other moral
provisions were just ADDED to the previous versions of this bill coming from
UN and US just so to make it appealing to the Filipino people. The
congressmen did this too hurriendly to be deliberated quickly. Apparently
there are international pressures at work here.
Another thing I could say about the RH bill is that this law is not needed for
our country Why?
- We already have laws against abortion, against pre-marital sex, against
pronography.
- The church has been teaching natural family planning for decades.
- Other methods of family planning are available in the net.
- Family planning is mandatory to acauiring a marriage license.
- Sex education is already taught in high schools, although, not as a separate
subject.
- Condoms are cheap (although I do not prefer using it)
- Contraceptives are available in many pharmacies but I do not recommend
using them. Its bad for the health that they can kill you (especially women)
quickly; aside for the moral aspects:)
- Our public hospitals already offer reproductive health care.
- Philhealth already covers health care although it is not enough, just like all
government insurance terms are.
Moreover, if this RH bill passes into a law, out taxes may have to be raised to
address the cost of implementing the bill. Imagine giving out free (or
ubsidized) condoms and contraceptives to indigent individuals or couples. Our
popuplation is 80% indigent that its just damn to expensive. Talking about
thinning resources, the RH bill is just another way to make our country poorer.
Sex is an instinct. People did it even before civilization was born. Our children
will know it even if we do not teach it.
Responsible sex happens only after marriage. Anything outside of marriage
(including before) is already immoral and irresponsible.
Most of all, there is no way for the RH bill to solve poverty in our country.
Our problem is poverty and not poor reproductive health. Overpopulation is
not the cause of poverty. We are poor because our wages are low (hello?).
Increasing our wages to first-world country levels is the only practical way of
solvins the poverty problem in our country. Go HYPERWAGE THEORY!
But please do not attempt to forcibly control the population. Leave it to the
parents. Overpopulation is not the problem. In fact, it is the labor force! We do
not want be be another Germany, Sweden, Swtzerland, and Japan. These
country propoulation growth has become too low or even reversed. They are
adopting children for thirld world countries, like ours, just to sustain their
population. Soon enough China will have problems of sustaining a strong
labor force becuase there are not many children born nowadays.
-Stan da man….
Kaizer
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Bituin
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KAIZER:
“Hongkong and Singapore are facing a population boom” —
WRONG.
Kaizer
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Neigyl R. Noval
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Kaizer, do you have any proofs and references that would contradict
our stupid comments?
I have given all erroneous statements in the Bill. ‘Stan da man’ has
valid reasons. Do you have references that would validate your
reasoning such that your reasoning may contradict our stupid
comments?
Ok, now to your point:
http://www.pregnantpause.org/overpop/gnp.htm
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2750087
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_japan_overpopulated
Hongkong and Singapore can increase their wages and that is very
possible but may be very difficult and would take time. However, A
law (or a bill) such as this RH Bill will obviously not solve
overpopulation as I have explained in detail on my last comment…
vanillae
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Then give your wise comment so that we may learn from your words
of wisdom.
John
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ano ka ngayon kaizer? tsk3x… let’s be nice guys, debate lang ‘to hindi
away.
vanillae
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The only thing that I do not agree with is the first sentence. This bill is ill-
intended. Even Satan will profess that Jesus is Lord but it does not make him
any good. Those points in the RH bill that sound good may really be good but
unnecessary. One of the most obvious examples is the promotion of
breastfeeding, which does not need a bill to realize. Did it need an RH bill for
us to hear the government’s message on television that says, “Hindi hayop ang
anak mo,” promoting human breastfeeding? These elements of the bill is for
deception’s purpose. It applies a sandwich approach (or maybe a halo-halo
approach), mixing good concepts with evil ones, not to produce real good
results but to hide the bad ingredients.
anti-illogicals
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Neigyl R. Noval :
There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in
it. However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will
present the bad things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight
for you to be guided accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so
that you may be aware of this:
Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with
internationally recognized human rights standards.”
–> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why
international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population
control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by
the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind
people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to
learn. We have our own standards.
Section 2. Third paragraph: “…sustainable human development is
better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and
productive citizens.”
–> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see
that this statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don’t
see it, seek more of its meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There
will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don’t you see it?
Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should
be no bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
Section 3. (e): “The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered
to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the
allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless.”
–> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its
presented purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem.
You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.
Section 3. (f): “Freedom of informed choice, which is…”
–> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free
to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a
demonstration in class? Oh, it’s our choice! We are free to be informed
of it. Really?
Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to
the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal
conviction and religious beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING
UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This
promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity,
fornication, incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and
professional private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops,
nuns, etc not involves?
Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of
the people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the
marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it
really for the quality of life?
Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and
welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF
ADOLESCENTS’ AND CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
–> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children?
Children are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This
may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will
be responsible for this.
Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the
government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-
ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate
manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only
contradicts the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-
abortion complications in this statement is only an admission that
abortion really has complications.
Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
–> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common
understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.
Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to
decide freely and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF
THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right
to have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use
yours also.
Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical,
mental and social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a
SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY
TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND
HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the
law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have
satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they
may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing
it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no
one saw them.
Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of
INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND
RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes
population control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the
number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15
children. What a population control. This bill is too vague.
Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive
health.”
–> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10,
how will I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it
obvious that this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t
include the spiritual well-being.
Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the
reproductive system its functions and processes and human
sexuality…”
–> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to
distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
–> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary
skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it
mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal
contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied
reproductive health products…shall be considered under the category
of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES…”
–> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered
as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an
ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy
Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better
advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate
it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health
learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in
Section 4, h.
Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
–> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have
sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?
Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have
no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from
this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this
Bill has many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on
the Bill, and the Bill may become better for the people and logical.
Freedom of informed choice – I guess some sex education videos will be used,
which might not sit very well with a primarily Catholic country. On the other
hand, I think they won’t be on the vein of the x-rated videos that I assume you
are referring to, since those things are just two (or three or four plus) people
having sex.
Freedom of informed choice is just that, freedom to decide with the correct
information at hand.
State workers and professional private practitioners and not church leaders-
Because of the separation of Church and State. People are still free to go to
religious leaders for sex guidance though, the bill does not prevent that.
Development of the people – As you said, there is no assurance, just like any
other social policy.
Individuals having the right to have children – By law, yes, they are allowed to
have children. Why? Because one, they might not have had the chance to get
married for financial reasons (like a number of poor people). It’s not that they
don’t have the money, it is most likely that they didn’t have the time to
officially register and get married in front of a judge and/or priest. Processing
papers like that takes time, time that can be spent on finding money for food.
Two, they may hold beliefs that are not the same as ours, so having children
does not necessitate marriage.
Spiritual and Moral well being – they are not included in the definition
probably because they are too subjective and have no numerical measure.
Satisfying Sex Life, Capability to Reproduce and the Freedom to Decide IF,
WHEN and HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the
law:
Yes, people have that freedom. Again, respect for their choices. There is
nothing illegal in it. Morally questionable, but nothing illegal. Though they
definitely can’t do it on the grasslands. That’s public indecency, and
punishable by law.
Essential Medicines – Yes, that might be the case. Though, truth be told,
teenagers are already buying them.
Philonanymous
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I do see some irregularities thank you but just trying to point out, you seem to
make it a point that everyone shares the same belief of “spirituality” and
“morality” as you haha
Perry Ileto
May 15, 2011 at 11:16 am | #220
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Section 3a: It does not seek to mention natural family planning since the
church already advocates that on a daily basis. But for the sake of argument,
the government will require those authorized to educate others about natural
family planning which are to abstain or the “cycle” method.
Section 3e: “spread so thinly” you incite the rich get richer. Read first then
understand. The government already knows the poor get poorer everyday.
They know the financial stress these families suffer. Think about it, which is
better? A family of minimum wage earners feeding, clothing, providing proper
education, health care, and mentoring 2 kids or 12 kids?
Section 3g: It speaks that couples can DECIDE to have kids whenever they
want. Meaning if they want to have kids, they stop using contraceptives. If
they say 3 is enough, they start using it again. So basically, it’s not
contradicting anything. And by the way, since when do personal convictions
and religious beliefs relate with supply distribution? Again, sir, read.
Continued: Why are priests and nuns not involved? I think it has something to
do with a little thing called “SEPARATION OF CHURCH FROM STATE”.
I’m getting tired of telling you this… READ!
Section 3j: the clear BENEFIT this will bring to the poor is that they will have
better family planning skills, and oh yeah, FEED, CLOTHE, AND AFFORD
TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR KIDS BECAUSE THEY CAN MANAGE
THEIR FINANCES BETTER!!!!
“Individuals” have the right to want to have kids and not want to be married.
It’s their right. There is no law that makes it illegal since the law does not
discriminate on religious views.
“Reproductive Health” why no spiritual and moral? Because the law leaves
that to the church. See? The government does not intervene with church
jurisdiction. Neither should the church meddle in government rules. That’s
why the church was separated from state because of abusive monks and
priests, remember?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and
SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and
the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided
that these are not against the law.” This is self explanatory. Like I said, people
have the right to make their own choices without prejudice, which you are
clearly full of by the way. The government respects this, so should the church.
The “WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO” refers to REPRODUCING.
Please learn to read. There are courses offered by TESDA for basic English.
Like I said, free will. But the key word here is “RESPONSIBLY” unless the
definition for the word “responsible” is to have as many kids as humanly
possible, financially provide for them, but offer no guidance or mentoring or
going to every kids school activity while working full time.
Lastly, men have as much (if not more) sexual urges as women so men should
also be responsible enough to do the right thing.
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laverne
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RH bill FTW
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mario singson
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I strongly oppose the enactment of this bill. thanks for your explanations. I would like
to have a copy of this item. thank you so much. God bless.
11.
Anna
I strongly disagree with this bill. it will just increase premarital sex which means
immorality so definitely women especially those at a very young age would do such
immorality without thinking. I go with my religion. Thank you. God Bless.
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jlocute
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We are really at the end of times era. These are all Satans works. The Government
maybe should pass a Bill instead that teaches sex without marriage is a crime, having
sex with person other than your spouse is a crime.
People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they
choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is
too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not
have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is
against the use of condoms”.
Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s
version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for
physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and
bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid
consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and
women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God
intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then
share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts
God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.
goldenerro
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i dreaming of a HUGE asteroid hitting and destroying the earth and killing
every living organisms, and germs like humans. It is a RESET folks!
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jlocute
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We should be aware how Satan works. As he said “I Pretend to love men, in order to
destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and deceive them; help them, in order
to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish regions.”
Isn’t it this bill is one of its form that says will help us? We are deceived then by him
if this one will be approved. Satan’s plan is to destroy us by having and committing
sins against God.
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andy bandag
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since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline? from
city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine archipelago, couples,
fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using these trashes, did population
again declined? and what we got? sex starve generation, uncontrolled sexual urges
and it is because of the luck of discipline regarding sexuality, because instead of
educating people, the government offer them condoms, pills etc.
Read this!
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yes, contraceptives are already out way back then but how many knows how
to use them?
meron nga ankong kabarangay, 9 na ang anak, tinuruan sila ng mga health
worker nang pagamit ng condom. tinry nila, pagkatapos, tinapon nung lalake
ung lahat ng condom nya. “putang ina, walang pakiramdam.” 12 na anak nila
ngayon.
saka, poppulation will NEVER decline unless you go out there and shoot at
each other. ITS THE RATE OF POPULATION GROWTH that is the isue!
other progressive countries have their P.growth rate by near 0% each year.
meaning, namamaintain nila ang pupulation nila.
imagine mo nga, kung meh rate tayo na +20% kada taon. para na tayong
squater lahat by 2020.kahit sa mga probinsya. USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD
GAVE IT FOR YOU TO USE IT.
Anna
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vanillae
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Wrong! You should use yours. Kahit tumaas pa ng kaunti ang birth
rate ng Pilipinas, hindi tayo magiging squatters sa 2020 o kahit pa sa
2050. Feeling mo siguro di ka na mamamatay. Ilan na ba sa 7,107
islands ng Pilipinas ang occupied ng tao? ABOUT 4,000. Gaano
karami ang mahigit 3,107 islands? Does it sound small a number to
you? But then again, huwag mong pagkamalian na lahat ng buhay
ngayon ay buhay pa sa 2020. Hayaan mo, pag namatay ka, the country
will be one citizen lesser than before.
pam
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Yuri_Diculous
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MALDITA.
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arielpulmano
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i will vote villar because he opposes this bill. that’s Villar’s edge for me.
MALDITA.
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Read this!
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common people. RH bill does not promote abortion. period. it seeks to educate young
about their sexuality so that they would not engage in that thing too young just
because of curiosity and ignorance. Also it protects women from different abuses.
o
Anna
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Neigyl R. Noval
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clarence
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hindi mo naiintindihan ang pagiging “tao” para sabihin mong ang libog ay
walang solusyon. hayop lang ang hindi makaka-regulate ng kanyang sexual
urge dahil wala syang will-power. akala ko ba may brain ka? kung sabagay,
hindi lahat ng may brain, my mind, logic, at correct reasoning. IKAW ANG
MAGBASA NG RH BILL PAULIT-ULIT NANG MAINTINDIHAN MO
ANG TUNAY NA SINASABI NITO. educate your brain!!!
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click :
So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine
raising a teen, specially a teen girl, youre giving her advices
about life, about boys and then this bill is already a law.
TAYAY : anak pipiliin mo yung lalaking
makakasama mo sa buhay ha,
ipakilala mo yung mga nanliligaw
sayo. Hwag maglilihim kay tatay,
maraming lalaki jan katawan lang
habol sa babae,piliin mo yung
responsable
etc..
then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops
into her mind.
ANAK : ( Ok lang nagtatake naman ako ng pills eh.. party
party ) )
Then whats the essense of good parenting, anong saysay ng
pagpapamilya, magpapalaki ka ng anak mo d ka sinusunod,
biologicallly related lang kayo pero anong saysay non??!!!
Hindi lahat ng anak magiging mabait kahit ulanin mo ng payo,
kaya nga hindi natin kailangnan ng mga bagay na
makakadagdag pa sa pagpapahirap sa pagpapalaki sa kanila.
yan ba gusto nyong manahin sa administrasyong to, those law
makers just come and go, but the laws the make ang hirap
buwagin nyan.. when you realized its not worth it, ang hirap na
lalo na kung may mga nakikinabang na sa budget.
you treating that thing called “morality” as if were just a pile of
garbage that nids to be thrown, YAN ANG NAGPALAYA SA
PILIPINAS FROM DICTATORSHIP!
MALDITA.
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edgar
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poor one. mababaw nga alam mo sa mga bagay na pinag usapan dito. yon lang
point talaga.
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Richter
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proud mama
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hi, neigyl. thanks for spending ur time in trying to form and express ur opinion as best
as you could. we need people like you to let us see the “light”..i have some
question/comment though;they are written below every comment you made. good day
sir.
Neigyl R. Noval :
There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it.
However, the bad things prevails–that is the reason why I will present the bad
things. You need to have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided
accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you
may be aware of this:
Section 2. First paragraph: “…respect for life in conformity with
internationally recognized human rights standards.”
–> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international?
Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and
reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world
countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being
hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own
standards.
**are you one of those so called I.T. experts who instead of suggesting,
helping, ensuring that the recently concluded election will be a success;
painted a gloom and doom scenario that scared the wits out of our
people?..even if, for the sake of arguments, i dont love our country and our
people , i still cant see,hear, look, listen that; sustainable human development
may promote euthanasia or divorce…nice play patriotism card pal..nice scare
tactic too..keep it up.
**
Section 3. (a): “In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no
bias for either modern of natural methods of family planning;”
–> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
**i guess section 5.a and 5.f.6.k and other related section/subsection is too
ambiguous for you..
**you are not only the prophet of gloom and doom. you are also the worst
apprentice of madam auring!
–> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch
x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh,
it’s our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?
** why did i even bother reading your childish comment. thanks for wasting
my time pal.thanks for nothing…my comments are only up yo here..no more..i
give up..”freedom of informed choice= your wild innuendos witch wildly
suggest it means watching x-rated??!!..”..shh..i have enough!!..grow up!!stop
being a jejemon!!have a life!!sell your computer!!…how is that for a
comment??? happy now????
Section 3. (g): “While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and
religious beliefs…”
–> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: “…such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING
UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted…”
–> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This
promotes pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication,
incest, etc. Anyway, we are free to do it!
Continued: “…and should be guided by qualified State workers and
professional private practitioners;”
–> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc
not involves?
Section 3. (j): “Development…that seek to uplift the quality of life of the
people, more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;”
–> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for
the quality of life?
Section 3. (l): “Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS…not only the rights and welfare of
adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS’ AND
CHILDREN’S AS WELL;…”
–> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children
are included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a
dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.
Section 3. (m): “…as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the
government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION
COMPLICATIONS shall be treated…and compassionate manner.”
–> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn’t only contradicts
the Law of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion
complications in this statement is only an admission that abortion really has
complications.
Section 4. “Definition of Terms”
–> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of
everyone does not need to be defined.
Section 4. (b): “…which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely
and responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN…”
–> “Individuals.” Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to
have children? I’m using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
Section 4. (c): “Reproductive Health – refers to the state of physical, mental
and social well-being…”
–> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: “This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and
SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and
the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided
that these are not against the law.”
–> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have
satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may
decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every
minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.
Section 4. (d): “Reproductive Health Rights – refers to the rights of
INDIVIDUALS and couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the
number, spacing and timing of their children.”
–> Again, the ‘individual’ word. Does this bill really promotes population
control in which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children?
Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population
control. This bill is too vague.
Section 4. (g): “10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive
health.”
–> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will
I be involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn’t it obvious that
this refers to sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn’t include the spiritual
well-being.
Section 4. (h): “…relevant information on all matters relating to the
reproductive system its functions and processes and human sexuality…”
–> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: “…developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish
between facts and myths on sex and sexuality…”
–> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills?
Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the
class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
Section 10: “Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES – hormonal
contraceptives, intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive
health products…shall be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL
MEDICINES…”
–> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as
ESSENTIAL MEDICINES–not only an ordinary medicine but an
ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic.
Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that
small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and
practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the
NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.
Section 12. (g): “Abstinence before marriage”
–> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and
reproduction (See Section 4)?
Sections 22 – 27:
–> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no
choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has
many irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the
Bill may become better for the people and logical.
Neigyl R. Noval
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**
material international standards, class international standards, trends, music
standards, vehicle standards, matter of living standards, job international
standards are all different from MORAL standards. Many people think of the
world as a material thing. We have all wealth; but where will it go when we
die? I don’t say that we will no longer need to achieve wealth–we need to in
order to live a happy life.
**
**
I will elaborate my explanation further. The bill is entitled: Reproductive
Health Bill. The two sections you have mentioned only stated that natural
family planning method exists other than the artificial ones. Also, it merely
defines that the natural ones is not prohibited and is fine. Natural family
planning method is stated in the bill only 3.54% on the entire bill (in words).
How can it promote the natural family planning method? Remember that
reproductive health also involves the natural ones but is only found 3.54% in
the Bill.
**
I love playing chess and I predict in advance the moves of my opponent. I
know chess is different from life matters so I will not say that both are
analogous. I see that this section has already been present today–the rich
become richer, the poor become poorer. Thus, I am not predicting things.
**
I only state watching x-rated films as an example to be concrete. You can give
many examples as you like like choice of pre-marital sex, choice of non-
marital sex, etc.
Thanks for your comment. Please ask for more clarifications if possible and i
will answer them precisely if i have time. Thanks.
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mocha_pandan
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It is quite difficult to discern good and evil in today’s materialistic and corrupted
world where all is evaluated from the point of view of gain and wealth, beauty or
physical appearance, power and success; because evil is often disguise as good and
virtuous. Didn’t we understand that Satan works secretly and hides himself for us to
be able to know? Many would say that our generation today is very lucky than the
earlier days. We have lots of innovations and advance technologies; the televisions,
cinemas, internet, laptops, ipod, PSPs, games and many other gadgets. Didn’t we
know that all of these seduce humanity to become materialistic and were invented to
lead humanity astray? Look at the television and cinemas, Satan mentioned that TV is
one of his favorite invention. This is his instrument to destroy every soul and families
thru violent and corrupted programs with impurities and immorality. Isn’t it that our
generation is much corrupted than before because of this? Let’s take another one:
most have ipods and the likes in other forms as mp3 player, etc and carry it anywhere;
Satan wants to introduce noise and some form of entertainment; it is his way to forget
and distract our communication to God thru prayers. It is in silence that you will hear
God. It is in silence that God will hear you when you pray. Look at the credit cards; it
is there so that one can buy even without money. It encourages us to buy and buy
more things. The PSPs and other game gadgets, the children at home prefer it rather
than to play or talk with their parents. Even old ones are addicted to it. The internet is
there as another way to propagate corruption, immorality and impurity. Many are
addicted to it and prefer to surf, look for porn pictures, movies and even play. Satan
wants us to sin and always keep us busy to forget God. Contraceptives are there so
that nobody can conceive a child. As a result, it introduces sexual abuse. All these are
Satans instrument. Satan knows that these things bring more of negative impact to
humanity than of the positive impact. Thus, it is his way and instrument for the
fulfillment of his plans. These are so many things today that we think helps humanity
a lot. But in essence it is there so that humanity can be lead astray to God. Satan said
“I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin them and
deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these my hellish
regions.”. We are then deceived if we believe that what’s happening in our world
today was just fine. All of this and many things are works of Satan thru the Black
Beast mentioned in the Apocalypse (Revelation) part of the Bible. We are really near
the end times. Study yourself, maybe you already had the mark of the beast (666) in
your forehead and right hand.
Many of us were unaware of what their sins are. Our everyday life is mixed with sin
that we no longer pay attention to it. This is because we are blinded by darkness and
we think that what we doing were just normal. In case we are aware of our sins, we
persist and continue to do it. We are hesitant or don’t want to change at all. Mortal sin
is our number one enemy, since it is only and derisive cause of the damnation of souls
that are in hell. In other words, those who die suddenly while in a state of mortal sin
suffer the punishment of hell. It is told by the Blessed Mother, that “sins of the flesh”
is the most reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today;
contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in
and sex” without marriage. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a
woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are
sin which we think are normal during this time. As our Blessed Mother told us in Her
apparitions, “Too Many Souls Are Going To Hell”.
Satan is very much triumphant today!!! Because many doesn’t know how he works.
And he really hides. Indeed, many volunteers to help him. All of these needs to be
fulfilled before the Second Coming of our Lord.
o
filo
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The concept of “Satan” was coined by the Christians who hated the pagans for
worshiping their own god. They weren’t doing anything wrong; they were
minding their own business. And yet the Christians burned them at the stake
for not worshiping the god they worshiped.
Sir
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Sammie
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Well do you know that the bible is edited by the humans and so
what happened before was not how it really was documented?
And do you know that even priests claim that Adam and Eve
may not even be real and may just be representations?
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proud mama
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someone higher than us only required us to have a faith as tiny as a mustard seed in
order for us to make the first big step towards addressing this problem. nothing is
impossible in fact we can “command the mountain and order the mountain to plant
itself into the sea”.
if ever -after hearing all the pros and cons and incorporating those pros and cons that
makes sense- this bill becomes a law and in our journey we are to fall,we must pick
ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day and the days to come.
the truth is, population growth is a real monster that all of us have to tackle. all of us
means as one. whatever our religious belief is, our personal aspirations,
dreams,ambitions and hopes must be set aside for the good of our country. the only
country that we have. MABUHAY TAYONG LAHAT…
Wilberg
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“…we must pick ourselves up. amend the law to let it suit the needs of the day
and the days to come.”
Wow, this sounds good! But then again, no. Was Roe v. Wade amended to suit
the needs of the day? Actually, after that decision, there was no turning back. I
would recommend this reading: Supreme Court’s Evolving Rulings on
Abortion, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5029934.
Amending laws and rulings is not as simple as you may think. It took us a
people power revolution and hundreds of lives to amend the Philippine
Constitution. Roe v. Wade has already taken more than 46 million lives (not
yet included those that are linked to those lives) but the US Supreme Court
rulings still uphold it. Do Americans want that? No. Even Norma McCorvey
(Roe) regretted that and actually fights against its fruits now.
Think of that.
proud mama
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wilberg that link is all about legal abortion and nothing to do with rh
bill…so you think rh is bill pro abortion??..if so, can you point it where
exactly so that i can read and reread and reread it??
Wilberg
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Secret
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faith means not wanting to know the truth. im sure God would want us to
know the truth rather than make us afraid of unblinded fear.
21.
proud mama
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one more thing wilberg, am right to say that, based on your link, rh bill is all about
legalizing abortion??
Wilberg
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No, you are not. Based on the link that I have given (if you read everything, of
course, and if your chronology is correct), an evil law might kill billions of
lives pointblank and publicly but could not be amended even after a number of
decades and despite national protests.
22.
proud mama
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roe vs wade..hmmm..this is certainly not the first time that ive encountered this
post(differenr forum)…when it comes to abortion, baamm!! roe vs wade..
so what is the big deal about roe vs wade..?? rh bill is about abortion?
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Wilberg
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You should really be thinking that. Why the automatic reaction? Of course, “when it
comes to abortion”, Roe v. Wade will be the first three words in mind because it is the
central foundation of the abortion law (and/or mentality) in the US and all the US-
influenced countries. I would be equally surprised if you say, “Why do people always
speak of EDSA when they heard people power revolution and vice versa?”
Now, what is the big deal about Roe v. Wade in relation with the RH bill? Again, I
will point you to a link that I wish you would at least try to honestly understand:
http://faithandreasonblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/roe-v-wade-legacy-of-margaret-
sanger.html. It would be enough if you know Margaret Sanger, how from being a
criminal she became a “hero”, how she changed criminality into heroism, how many
Americans (and American-mentality people) have her as their mother, how she has
changed American and international laws, and how successful she is with her Negro
Project even if she is already dead. Of course, these are not the only things that you
can learn about Sanger, there is much more.
Read Sanger’s statement carefully: “To each group we explained what contraception
was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was
taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time,
a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet
begun.” Sounds familiar? It is the exact claim of RH bill — saying yes to
contraception is saying no to abortion, right? Wow, this is an anti-abortion stand!
Now, here is the next level of Sanger’s national/global mentality manipulation
(“pangbobobo” in my own Tagalog translation): “No one can doubt that there are
times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is
taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions.” At first, abortion was
wrong “no matter how”, that is why we need contraceptives. In the next statement,
“there are times when an abortion is justifiable” as opposed to “no matter how”. Now,
this is the clever part, “…but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to
prevent conception.” It still primarily promotes contraception but paves the way for
abortion. When minds are already set, it is time to say these words: “The most
merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”
(Women and the New Race Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923), “More children from the
fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief aim of birth control” (Birth Control Review,
May 1919, p. 12).
Now, was this just a US event? A very big NO. Where contraception is generally
accepted, abortion becomes a commonplace.
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proud mama
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good day wilberg…now before this gets out of hand. lets us not side step what is it
that we are talking about..
..if you read the letter up to the latter;abortion,you can find none. in fact it is clearly
stated that abortion is a crime.
..the clear intent of this bill is not abortion..it is not acceptable to put forth an
interpretation that is not within the intent of this bill…one cannot bend the spirit of
the bill and its authors just to be able to accommodate his/her interpretation that
exactly runs counter to the intent of the bill and its authors….
to those who have apprehensions that this bill may lead to this or that, the best thing
that you can do is to take an active part. let your voices be heard. attend public
hearings, write to your congressman. let anyone not be cowed to do so, else im afraid
you will, in the future, say, ” damn i told you so”..
Wilberg
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First of all, I believe that many of those who participated on this discussion
did not fail to support a campaign, whether online or offline, against this bill
with the intention to appeal to the representatives in Congress, and to inform
also the senators and all the citizens. We do not just talk here but are silent
everywhere else. Actually, the first article that I have regarding contraception
was written many years ago (long before HB 5043) and was posted on my site
on 2008. [1] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/kung-mahal-ninyo-
silamagplano/ [2] http://sicar.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/huwag-idaan-sa-
hula%E2%80%A6magplano-ng-pamilya/. I still have more articles in store
(not yet composed) for some of my blogsites.
Do you really believe that those who opposed this bill on the ground of being
anti-life, anti-family, anti-nature, anti-God, anti-freedom, unnecessary,
invasive, totalitarianistic, American, and many more are just some bunch of
idiots who did not read this short bill and cannot discern the words behind the
mind of its writers but instead invent issues to be scared about which are not
really related to it? Think again. Are these people not aware of the past and
present history of the field they are in and of what they were fighting against?
HB 5043 is just an offspring of laws and proposals that are already enforced
around the world. This is in no way new or surprising. It has been expected to
come into being since many decades ago. Actually, former Senator Kid Tatad
has been fighting against it in more or less 10 years now. Pope Paul VI
foretold its effects 40 years ago which all came true not long after he wrote
about it to the world. These are things that are really being disregarded. The
concept of the RH bill is already 2000 years in the mind of the Church, and
was already addressed 2000 years ago. We do not even know Edcel Lagman
as pro-RH bill yet when we started the fight against his HB 5043. How is that?
As I have said, this is not a new proposal, and the laws that gave birth to this
has already started destroying the world, including families, marriages,
relationships, one’s own self perception, morality, values, mentality, culture,
mothers’ lives, and children’s lives very long time ago. Were those facts
mentioned in the bill? It would not be. But are they not true? It is for you to
find out.
I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #10 anymore.
Yes, you have already said enough but have not yet listened enough. To know
the intent of the bill and of “those who wrote it” (as I always emphasize) is as
not as good as you see it. They know it very well. Hence the gestation of
section 21 of the RH bill. “Any person who maliciously engages in
disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act” shall be punished.
What is malicious? What is misinformation? Everything that is opposed to it is
deemed malicious and a misinformation, commonsensically. And who would
not be punished then? That would include you. Why the great fear? Why the
insecurity of this bill? Why would it go to the extent of punishing people
because of speaking against it? Where is the check and balance of democracy?
And how many laws with Section 21-e will follow after this totalitarian bill?
As I have said above, this Act do not uphold that abortion is a criminal act, it
just recognizes the status quo of abortion in the Philippine law. RH bill is not
the Constitution nor it is a Supreme Court ruling. All it can do is to
acknowledge the criminality of abortion but not to affirm it as they want it to
sound like. Again, as I have already related, Margaret Sanger who happened to
be the mother of all these fights for contraception (?) pioneered this approach
through her “innocent” words: “Abortion was the wrong way — no matter
how early it was performed it was taking life…contraception was the better
way, the safer way…” It appears that she criminalizes abortion, right? But
only gullible people will believe Sanger and so the writers of the RH bill.
They do not criminalize abortion; they deceitfully earn public trust. What is
next? A progressive change of mentality.
If you were not convinced by Margaret Sanger (that is if you really learn about
her which I doubt a great deal), maybe Henry Kissinger can. And who is he?
This might add to your knowledge of him: [1]
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/is-henry-kissinger-
setting-obamas-foreign-policy/ [2] http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85442 [3]
http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm. He might have existed long before you
do. You were born under his international influence. You may want other
names in the future. How about someone who is more known in the
Philippines and around the world?
Wilberg
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I assume I do not have to repeat the points of post #5 and #11 anymore.
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Wilberg
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Let us also not forget John Holdren and his Ecoscience. This man just
happened to be Obama’s Science Czar.
“One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate
babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally
are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really
wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption
proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption
proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for
married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children
alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or
have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending
on the society.”
“A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the
relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to
implement than trying to sterilize men.”
Of course, I do not have a whole day for giving examples here. You can
provide yourselves of the document and read the whole book.
25.
yesmie
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baka naman yung mga kasama sa contraceptive as essential madecines ay gamit para
sa abortion..dapat po malinaw kung anung mga gamot ang gagamitin as contraceptive
essential medicines..
Wilberg
June 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm | #265
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Neigyl R. Noval
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*** abortion:
Abortion in any means is illegal in the constitution, in the community, in the church,
and in the eyes of God.
Please see post #19 for more of my explanations about this bill.
Thank you.
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genalyn miasco
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then what is it…do you know how many starving children are here in our
country today…saan mo sila ititira…puputulin nyo nanaman ang mga puno at
papatagin ang mga kabundukan para gunawa ng pabahay para sa
kanila…damn…you people don’t use you’re brains…mas maraming filipino
means masmaraming dapat pagsilbihan…malaki ang chance na dumami
nanaman ang magugutom…ahm…guys…kailan ba tayo matututo…the world
is evolving everything is constantly chnging…buti sana kung kasing laki ng
area ng bansa natin ang china…eh d kahit mag-anak kayo ng mag-anak ok
lang…kaso nga…ultimong china…humahanap na ng ways para mabawasan
ang populasyon nila…mga sir…kung gusto ninyong magkaroon ng TUNAY
NA PAGBABAGo sa bansang pilipinas…eh maganda siguro simulan nyong
baguhin ang mga pananaw nyo sa buhay…2010 na po…tama na ang mga
lumang paniniwala……
Neigyl R. Noval
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This bill is not the only way to control the population in the
Philippines. There are many different ways.
(1)
Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they
can find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to
private places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.
(2)
Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their
studies so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to
number (1), this suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and
not just Quantitative education (where you graduated college and
learned less). It is obvious that money is the problem. Their are many
good ways to gain financial aid though with the help of God.
(3)
Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like
visiting orphanages and the like.
If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the
Philippines, then you have a problem.
Ryu
September 30, 2010 at 6:31 pm | #270
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vanillae
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rommel
October 4, 2010 at 9:19 am | #272
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malou
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did you guys know why China has a one child policy rule? tinuro ito dati sa
school, at least sa school namin. and kung ichecheck nyo lang sa internet kung
bakit sila nagpatupad ng one child policy, eh para umunlad naman ang bansa
nila. lubog sa kahirapan and anak ren ng anak sa china nuong panahong
mahirap na mahirap na mahirap sila. malaki ang lupain ng china, pero
kailangan pa ren nilang icontrol yung population nila.
do you guys know na pag buntis nanaman yung babae para sa ikalawang anak
(or ikatlong anak kung may lalaki na silang anak), eh kahit 5 months na yung
nasasinapupunan eh tuturukan nila ng gamot para malaglag yung baby…
ganun sila kalupit. ganun sila magpatupad ng batas, para sa ikabubuti ng lahat.
pero hindi naman ganyan ang gustong mangyari ng RH bill. hindi ganun
katindi ang pilipinas magpatupad ng batas. nakakatakot na ata yung sa china.
parami sila ng parami. kahit anung bansa pa, di kakayaning solusiyonan ang
problema ng kahirapan. kung hindi titino ang mga squatters, paano sila
mababawasan.
turuan sila ng family planning para naman sila anak ng anak. kaso, iaapply
kaya nila????
28.
vanillae
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Jose :
Premarital is not immoral. It is immoral because that is what the Church wants
you to say.
Wrong. It’s not the Church who determines which is right and which is wrong. Your
teacher did not taught you that 1+1 is 2 just because he/she wants it to be the answer.
Truth is objective and nobody can change it. The Church is a teacher and she relays
(not determines) the truth. It is Jesus who says that fornication violates God. Well, I
think you’re not a Christian that is why you don’t know it, but you should know better
when it comes to respect, simply because you are human. You don’t want your wife
or daughter or mother being used by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside
of marriage is not wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure. If premarital sex is fine,
then extramarital and promiscuity is fine. If promiscuity is fine, then pornography is
fine. If pornography is fine, the sex education with practical exams (e.g. petting,
necking, intercourse, same-sex, and even pervert sexual acts) are fine. It would also
follow that incest is fine, that child abuse is fine, and rape is fine. It’s ringing a bell.
Doesn’t it the one being promoted by Planned Parenthood Federation — “Sexual
Freedom”?
Now, is it just the Church? You say that premarital sex is not immoral because that is
what you want it to be. Sorry, but it can’t be.
o
Darm
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True. Even for me I’m not Christian I highly disapprove of premarital sex. But
for me, it might not be the best way for God-fearing people, this could actually
be one way for us to stop over-population. Why? Because being preached
about it is not enough and I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t follow all what the
Church says. The RH bill for me is one way to stop over-population and most
people would actually follow it. So unless the church could do anything better
to actually help stop that problem I would actually support it.
click
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So does that mean we are Pro Premarital sex now. Imagine raising a
teen, specially a teen girl, your giving her advices about life, about
boys and then this bill is already passed.
then in the middle of his father’s advice, guidance.. this pops into her
mind.
Darm
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We’re you replying to what I said? If you we’re, then I say that
I already said that I dissapprove of premarital sex but I have to
agree on using contraseptives. I agree with your statement but
not all people, even the educated, have morals and as long as
people aren’t allowed to use something that could prevent
accidents/unwanted children who would’nt even be raised with
morals. It’s not about morals because I believe if we all have
“good” morals we wouldn’t be having this crisis. And once
again if we all have good morals we wouldn’t have to
implement this law.
rommel
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johny
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johny
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skyjet
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Premarital is immoral, not because that’s the church want you to say but
because sex is a sacred thing. If sex is a sacred thing, then you must have an
authority to do it, then the authority is given through MARRIAGE. Just like
driving, you cannot drive unless you have an authority to drive, you cannot be
a driver unless you have a license. You have to be processed before you do a
big thing!!!
29.
Van
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Neigyl R. Noval
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Suppose that RH Bill becomes a law. Imagine when a 17 year old boy buys condom
to have sex with his girlfriend. (Of course this is not against the law right? And pre-
marital and non-marital sex is also not against the law. And remember that condoms
become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES). That boy loves the feeling and buys more to do
more until he become addicted to it. Suppose they do it three times a week or more
and their parents are not aware of it.
2. Are there no viral complications on both the girl and the boy?
3. What will happen when their is an accident that the condom fails to perform its
function?
webista
“If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no longer teach
their children good moral values and just let them buy contraceptives, and that
they are choosing the MFP than NFP, but are we just bound to that choice
given in the Bill?”
It’s like,
(1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might visit some porn
site if they are alone
(2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite sex because it
is possible that they may have an intimate relationship and end up in sex
(3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest who are involve
in sex/corruption scandals and they might influence your children.
So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind to choose for
what is right and what is wrong and to balance things. If God is in your heart,
then given any information and choices, you will choose what is highly right,
morally and spiritually.
click
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Mr. Neigyl I think that what you should worry about is that:
Will that 17 yr-old boy addicted to sex that buys condom for protection
will be a GOOD PARENT in the future!?
and if he becomes a parent what kind of upbringing can this 17- yr old
addicted to sex do.?
Neigyl R. Noval
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click :
Mr. Neigyl I think that what you should worry about is
that:
Will that 17 yr-old boy addicted to sex that buys
condom for protection will be a GOOD PARENT in the
future!?
http://www.epigee.org/guide/medfaq.html
http://www.woomb.org/omrrca/bulletin/vol25/no2/effects.shtml
http://www.obgyn.net/educational-tutorials/wellsetal/Sarc-
Conf.ppt
http://www.straight.com/article-170662/too-much-sex-brain
http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain
Neigyl R. Noval
October 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm | #287
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webista :
Mr. Neigyl, the way I interpret your given scenario is that…
“If the RH Bill is passed, then, the church and parents will no
longer teach their children good moral values and just let them
buy contraceptives, and that they are choosing the MFP than
NFP, but are we just bound to that choice given in the Bill?”
–> We are not only bounded of the decision. However, the bill is
leading to that. See?? Contraceptives are made as Essential Medicines
(Section 10). We can decide when and how often to have sex (Section
4c). It made us approach to the boundaries of certain illness that
contraceptives can give to ones health. Take note, i do not consider
moral values here.
webista :
It’s like,
(1) don’t let your children use the internet because they might
visit some porn site if they are alone
(2) don’t let your child(girl or boy) be friends with its opposite
sex because it is possible that they may have an intimate
relationship and end up in sex
(3) don’t attend the church mass because there are some priest
who are involve in sex/corruption scandals and they might
influence your children.
webista :
So what I am trying to say is, God has given us heart and mind
to choose for what is right and what is wrong and to balance
things. If God is in your heart, then given any information and
choices, you will choose what is highly right, morally and
spiritually.
I totally disagree with your comment, sorry.
–> Considering moral values. God indeed give us wisdom. But Satan is
also giving us confusions. It depends on where one is to decide. The
probability density of one to be influenced by the bad effects of this
bill is high. I am not saying that the bill is bad at all, there are good
things in it. See my post #66 (plus minus) for a thorough explanation
of this bill.
Thank you.
malou
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you know what? with or without condom, the boy would get addicted to sex
with the scenario you had given.
and to tell you, mas gusto ng tao ang walang condom. mas nakakaaddict ang
walang condom.
kung makikipag sex sya 3 or more times a week, may condom or wala,
gagawin nya iyon. kaya nga ang daming nabubuntis kasi hindi nila alam na
mabubuntis sila sa isang ganunan lang. and ang daming guys na hindi nila
sukat akalaing mabubuntis yung girl.
alive
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Mr. Neigyl, it is better to use condom for a boy age 17 years old than using
nothing! ikaw ba naman makabuntis sa murang edad.
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madsen
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correlation does not mean causation. some people here tend to quickly roll down the
slippery slope. and some even think of the extremes. imo, if the bill doesnt get passed
there will still be people who will opt to use contraceptives, and if the bill does get
passed, there will be people who will prefer natural intercourse.
arowen
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of all the comments, i liked madsen’s the most. there are people who tend to
think of the extremes.
3. foremost, education is the key to solving the population boom. people must
be made aware that sex is not only an emotional act but also biological. and it
has social implications, not only within oneself, one’s family, one’s
community, but the entire country. the youth are not the only ones who need to
be educated. parents should also be taught how to teach their children about
reproductive health. you cannot just say something is immoral or wrong,
children nowadays are very witty and inquisitive. you have to prove to them
why something is immoral or wrong. of course, moral education care of the
church and its allies is still indispensable. but we need more than that, we need
allowances and restrictions from outside (as opposed to allowances and
restrictions guided by our conscience/morality) to guide our actions. If we
need a policy to prevent people from throwing trash on the streets because of
lack of discipline, what’s wrong with that?
side notes: of course, pornography will not be shown in class. that’s an
exaggeration. teachers teach based on a curriculum. children can have better
access to pornography in homes (such as through the internet) and DVD stores
than in schools.
and please, don’t refer to this country as a catholic country (or something to
that effect). a country heavily grounded on spiritual beliefs may be more
proper. spirituality is not defined by religion.
Neigyl R. Noval
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madsen :
if the bill doesnt get passed there will still be people who will opt to
use contraceptives…
–> How much more when the bill becomes a law and the contraceptives
become ESSENTIAL MEDICINES (sold famously on pharmacies)? Many
people will use more of contraceptives.
madsen :
if the bill does get passed, there will be people who will prefer natural
intercourse.
–> How is this possible when contraceptives are suggested and required to
Filipinos (Contraceptives as ESSEMTIAL MEDICINES)?
kyowa
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I respect your opinion but I think you may be a bit rash. I’m still
unresolved about this bill but whether we like it or not, there are people
who will ACTUALLY benefit from this in a good way. My 2 cents.
passerby
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Yuri_Diculous
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karl
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they are just wanting to have sex with anyone they will like. that’s why they
are not denying RH-bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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click
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Pls if you really hate the Catholic Church that much dont use this.
There are much important Projects that nids this budget, like EDUCATION.
We cant go to school without money, allowances, thats why we nid to give our focus
on Education. making it more possible for poor students to go to schools. more
Scholarships.
On the other hand we can just disciplne those irresponsible people that treat sex like
dinner to stop and imposing humane laws, have a background check on how many
child they can make,then if they become wealthy enough to support many kids in the
future, then probably another justification should be made. Some will say its not
humane, to take away your freedom of choosing how many child you should raise.
But what is more humane, this how-many-child-I-can-bear policy or preventing that
life to live inside you.? just a question.
and another thing, bka kasi maabuso lang to ng mga religious group na nanghikayat at
nagpaparami ng kasapi, kapatid. Pwede kasi magamit ng magagandang members ung
pills pra d mabuntis,pagnagkagirlfriend ka syempre sasabihin sayo non, “bawal ako
makipagrelasyon sa d ko kaparehas ng religion” ikaw syempre dami nyo ng
nagwa,nagppremarital sex narin kayo, syempre inlove un,:)) , tapos mo magpaconvert
pano kung iniwan ka. )
o
passerby
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Tell me, how do you discipline sex-crazed let alone adults? I think providing
them information about responsible parenthood and family planning is a more
viable option than having to visit every house in the Philippines and evaluating
everyone whether they can support their children or not. And having to
evaluate families and telling them to stop producing children violates their
freedom. Why not empower them by giving them the freedom to make
informed choices on their own?
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anonie
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screw the church. those knuckleheads have gone too far in controlling the world. i’d
say support this bill, don’t give those darth vader wannabes a chance to control the
philippines
35.
jenette
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the RH Bill empowering women to make the right choice and decisions in family
planning…it should go hand in hand with DISCIPLINE in terms of sex…specially
young couples….through education and health information drive to teenagers…at
school and home…and we wish that PARENTS nowadays will be responsible enough
in terms of educating their kids…we teachers do teach kids the consequences and
encourage them to prioritize their studies…we wish also that parents wud do the same
to find tym in guiding their children…:) its really up to the FAMILY the basic
foundation of the society whether to choose natural or artificial method of family
planning…we hope that the responsible parenthood wud be given the utmost priority:)
vanillae
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It’s like saying, “Hand those kids a handful of candies and educate them that
candies are not good.”
36.
rommel
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andy bandag :
since marcos time, contraceptives were already in use, did population decline?
from city to far flung areas, almost in every corner of the Philippine
archipelago, couples, fornicators, adulterers if not all but almost all been using
these trashes, did population again declined? and what we got? sex starve
generation, uncontrolled sexual urges and it is because of the luck of discipline
regarding sexuality, because instead of educating people, the government offer
them condoms, pills etc.
johny
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tamaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………
37.
goodlucktummy
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they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy. given the power
and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone want to do natural family planning
methods that take time as opposed to contraceptives that can provide instant
gratification?
the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but i think a
possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run amok (with free
condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without having to face the consequences.
Neigyl R. Noval
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goodlucktummy :
they’re practically handing out condoms/contraceptives like candy.
given the power and nature human sexual urges, why would anyone
want to do natural family planning methods that take time as opposed
to contraceptives that can provide instant gratification?
the bill is supposed to empower women and it does on many levels, but
i think a possible adverse effect could be abusive men who might run
amok (with free condoms in hand) and “sow their seed” without
having to face the consequences.
–> I thank you for having seen the effect of this Bill. That is indeed one of the
important points to consider here. I guess Filipinos have increased their level
of “horniness” or sexual urge, that is why the government have blindly created
this bill.
(1) There will be more of the Filipinos’ sexual urge since contraceptives are
now on retail at available price and is considered as “ESSENTIAL
MEDICINES”. Having said that and considering the worst effect of
contraceptives and sex on young couples, there will be more Filipinos who can
no longer think logically and critically, do work efficiently, and everyone is
bounded on this essential medicine.
38.
jlocute
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I am a Catholic, and I stand by the Church decision!! I am sad that many other
Catholics are opposing against it. Many are Catholic by name and doesn’t understand
and work to deepen its faith. We must support our Church; it knows what’s good and
bad, for it is from God. If it is from God, then who are attacking it? Satan, the enemy.
He only wants to ruin our soul and help us to offend God more thru his wise tactics
that many are not aware. He often mixed good with bad and truth with false to
confuse us. Exactly as what this RH bill is.
He said “I Pretend to love men, in order to destroy them; serve them, in order to ruin
them and deceive them; help them, in order to pervert them and draw them into these
my hellish regions”. Exactly, this RH bill is one of his ways.
It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are happening right
now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil has reached
a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted.
She has been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her
Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have
died and been destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is fulfilling “I am
the King of this world” because many are under his control and power.
We will be accountable to God on everything that we do. Do not judge especially our
priests and even more the bishops. Jesus said to Gloria Polo, “Who did you think you
were making yourself God and judging my anointed? They are human, and the
holiness of a priest is built by his community, that prays, loves, and supports him.
When a priest sins his community is questioned, not him.” Jesus showed her how the
many demons were attached to her when she do it.
John 8:7 “He that is without sin among you, let him cast first a stone”.
Our Church is from God, it is the only one left that’s opposing to the attack of the evil
right now. Nobody is opposing but only the Catholic Church! Many had gone to the
other side embracing the enemy in attacking the Church and its children. Be careful
my friend, these are signs of end times.
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nonsequitur
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This bill even if passed can easily be striked out as unconstitutional. If the Catholic
Church and other religions who are against the bill will get a good lawyer, they can
win this in court.
vanillae
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Wrong. History doesn’t tell us that. In the Philippines alone, there are
executive orders that are unconstitutional, but the issues have just gone with
the previous government.
The Catholic Church have the best lawyers, but it does not mean they will win
inside the court once this proposal became a law. It’s not as simple as you
think it is.
mocha_pandan
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The Church is the mystical body of Christ, he already revealed that the
Catholic is its bride. The only one opposing the evil. Many of Gods
children support now the enemy. “My Church will be persecuted to a
degree never seen before as evil has reached a height that has never
before been seen on Earth. She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has
been judged already in this scourging soon to carry the great cross to
Her Calvary where she shall be crucified, tormented and mocked, and
believed to have died and been destroyed”
urak
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Well, interesting post but where in the bible are you basing
your statement?
jlocute
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I already told that not are all in the Bible, there are
many revelations to saints, visionaries and mystics of
our times. There are apparitions of the Blessed Mother
Mary. All of these are messages for all of us. Isn’t it that
all that writes the Bible are the same? They are people
whom God chooses to carry His Divine messages. God
continues to intervene on our time today “I will be with
you till the end of time”.
The Bible is not the end of God’s messages.
vanillae
October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm | #312
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giesaril tabunaway
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Neigyl R. Noval
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giesaril tabunaway :
,,i agree with president noy,
cause i know it will help a lot.
our coutry is already in top 12 to the top 15 most populated coutry…
imagine????
there are so many countries in the world,
and were in 12th????
oh come on..
RH Bill is not only the solution to this problem. I would like you to see the
common aspect and traditions that Filipinos are usually doing:
(1) “Bahala na siya. Hindi naman ako ang madadamay.”
(2) “Ok lang yun, wala namang nakakita eh.”
(3) Pagtapon sa basura kahit saan habang sumasakay ng jeepney.
(4) “Ok nayan. 3.0 / 75 lang naman ang hiningi ng gobyerno natin eh”.
(5) “Eto na yung isang daang libong piso. Iboto mo ako.”
Again, this bill is not the only way to control the population in the Philippines.
There are many different ways.
(1)
Increase the literacy rates of Filipino people (in whatever way) so they can
find jobs and get busy to work. In that way, they are not prone to private
places where few gets horny and do their stuff there.
(2)
Encourage all young Filipinos to study hard and do their best on their studies
so they may be successful in their carrier. Though related to number (1), this
suggestion pertains to more Qualitive education and not just Quantitative
education (where you graduated college and learned less). It is obvious that
money is the problem. Their are many good ways to gain financial aid though
with the help of God.
(3)
Encourage everyone to be religious not in words but in deeds, like visiting
orphanages and the like.
If you don’t get why the points above will solve the population in the
Philippines, then you have a problem.
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ronnie buray
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The church is the bride of Christ.I personally submit to Her wisdom in terms of moral
teachings.Overpopulation? Well,blame it to God if you dare.Gagawa Siya ng mundo
only to be overpopulated? Congrats nga sa mga author ng RH bill.Mga theologians na
pala sila. Why dont you focus on solving corruption? Diyan lang mahihirapan na
kayo. About comprehensive land reform? Ang daming farmers na walang lupa, diyan
kayo mag focus.
jur
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Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow citizens!
If I apply the same philosophy, then “Gagawa ba siya ng mundo only to have
people kill each other and die of global warming!”
You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on your computer
taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.
jlocute
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The Catholic Church is the only one standing and opposing against the
attack of His enemy, SATAN! While most of his children embraced
and joined the enemy in persecuting her (the Church).
“My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen before as evil
has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth. She
shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this
scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall
be crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and
been destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is
fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his
control and power.
urak
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jlocute
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jlocute
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Many has already presented to you the evilness of this
bill and it seems that you do not are not open. Do you
really pray and asks God for enlightenment of this issue.
How sincere and whole-hearted is that then? or you not?
Many eyes do not see and ears that really can’t hear. Its
simply, when good and bad are mixed, then, it is not
good!! Its from Satan who mixed things to confuse. He
hides my friend. Asks God for gifts to discover Him.
Neigyl R. Noval
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jur :
Maybe the bride isn’t THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church.
Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about.
–> The word bride here is only a symbol or a figurative word. Don’t
take this literary.
jur :
Moreover, the RH bill isn’t forcing anyone.
It’s giving us a choice!
Overpopulation is a serious issue.
Maybe you should take into account that it’s about our fellow
citizens!
jur :
How sure are you on this statement? God is there. Satan is also there.
God has giving us free will because we are humans. Satan has took
advantage of that free will and that is how many people accept the
invitation of Satan.
jur :
Faith is useless without action.
They can deal with those fucked up officials later.
You have no idea how many are dying of hunger as you sit on
your computer taking out ignorant claims about YOUR faith.
Maybe there’s something wrong with it!
–> Many have died of hunger because they are too lazy to work, to
study, and to earn money. See those who are poor and successful
people. Many have asked God for help yet they do no work. That is
also one of the problem.
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wiz
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inAAA :Why do you all think that this bill is mere CONTRACEPTION? It
educates people too, guys.
Education for responsible parenthood is not new. I agree with what others said that
the access to contraceptives has been available a long long time ago in any convenient
stores. Even ligation and vasectomy is already being practiced in our country even
before I was born. 15 years ago, teenagers including me were involved in natural
family planning supported by the church every week educating parents and teens for
responsible parenthood. I use that information now that I am married. Gladly my
husband & I have the same convictions. We practice abstinence and sacrifice so its
something that can be done in reality. The RH bill have good points in educating
couples and teens but like what I said this has been an old practice in schools and our
barangays. For some of you who doesn’t know, the U.S. which was specifically
detailed by H.Clinton has a budget for helping the 3rd world finance the family
planning education with promotion of contraception as one of the means and that I
believe what our government is after. The “budget” overflowing from the USofA
which lights up a question: who will really benefit? maybe a small portion of people
but the majority of the budget will be in the hands of corrupt animals i mean officials.
So, going back to RH bill, is this really necessary in our society? or just another for
wealth source of our poor and hungry politicians.
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johny
October 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm | #323
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if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to, pagbibigyan
ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa lang hehelengen ko, dapat
WALANG BAYAD ANG PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA
PATAY” …
yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng life ko na halos
isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life ng mga pamangkin ko na
hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?
sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige maging
MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!
vanillae
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Tungkol sa mga pamangkin mo, civil registrar ang kailangan nila para
magkaroon ng pangalan, hindi Simbahan. At kung binyag ang pag-uusapan,
hindi binabayaran at hindi mababayaran ang binyag. May facilities na
ginagamit sa pagdiriwang ng binyag. Nagbabayad din ng kuryente ang
parokya, hindi sila libre sa Meralco. Ngayon, kung hindi mabinyagan ang mga
pamangkin mo dahil sa kawalan ng pera, hindi na yun tama. May ginawa na
ba ang mga magulang niya? Sinasabi rin sa akin noon na hindi ka pwedeng
magpakasal nang P15,000 lang ang pera mo. Isang taon namin pinagtatalunan
yan ng mga kamag-anak ko, pero hindi sila nanalo. Nagpakasal ako na P500
lang ang pera ko. Mas mahal pa nagastos sa simpleng handaan. Actually, may
kakilala pa nga ako na mag-asawang hindi gumastos ng kahit ano sa Simbahan
(hindi mass wedding, sila lang talaga). Akala kasi natin e kilala natin ang
hinahatulan natin, pero ang totoo, wala tayong alam dito.
Sige, ipasa halimbawa ang RH Bill, nasan naman ang pondo para sa
edukasyon, para sa livelihood, para sa ibang mga pangangailangan ng
mamamayan. Gagawin essential medecine ang contraceptives, e ultimo over-
the-counter medicine, nauubusan ang mga health center. Papayag ka ba na
contraceptive pills ang ibigay sa iyo pag linalagnat ka? Okay lang ba kung
pakainin ng gobyerno ng condom ang pamilya pag gutom na gutom na kayo
dahil yun lang ang pinagamitan ng pera?
Nararanasan din namin ang hindi kumain, pero hindi kami papayag na
samantalahin ng mga ipokritong politiko ang gutom namin para linlangin kami
at sabihin ito at iyan ang kailangan namin. Ikabubuhay ang kailangan ng mga
Filipino, hindi ikamamatay ng mga bata at mga ina.
Neigyl R. Noval
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johny :
if o were president noynoy ” sige hinde ko a approbahan ang bill na to,
pagbibigyan ko ang mga simbahan, lalo na ang katoliko…… pero isa
lang hehelengen ko, dapat WALANG BAYAD ANG
PAGPAPABINYAG, PAGPAPAKASAL, PA MESA SA PATAY” …
– Please be mature enough my dear friend. How can the church sustain the
needs of their priest, nuns, etc, when people will not give (or donate) them
money? That is the reason why donations are always there on the church. That
is the reason why weddings, funerals, baptism needs finance because the
priests, nuns, etc also have their own needs like food, etc, excluding their
projects.
johny :
yes life is for everyone… but what kind of life is it ba? katolad ba ng
life ko na halos isang beses lang kumaen isang araw, katolad ba ng life
ng mga pamangkin ko na hangang ngayon wala pang mga pangalan
dahil anf mahal mahal magpabenyag?
sa mga katolad kong maherap, let’s get REAL sa mga may kaya… sige
maging MAKADIYOS kayo. ng papunta kayo sa langit!!!!
You should do more hardwork. Ask everyone for help. God bless you.
o
John
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wawam
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a significant number of catholics support RH Bill 5043, even slightly higher than non-
catholics.
o
vanillae
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First question: have you seen the questionnaire and has it been proven to be
not “leading”? Second: is SWS an honest organization without bias on
reproductive propaganda? Better ask Kit Tatad. He personally knows the man
behind it. Third: are all “Catholics” Catholic? Are you?
45.
jur
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Then what does the church propose to do in case the RH bill is left unsigned.
Feed everyone with two loaves and a fish?
jlocute
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Be careful my friend.
It is indeed true that words of Jesus from visionaries and mystics are
happening right now “My Church will be persecuted to a degree never seen
before as evil has reached a height that has never before been seen on Earth.
She shall suffer and be persecuted. She has been judged already in this
scourging soon to carry the great cross to Her Calvary where she shall be
crucified, tormented and mocked, and believed to have died and been
destroyed”
Its true that Jesus Christ kingdom is not of this world. Satan’s claim is
fulfilling “I am the King of this world” because many are under his control
and power.
jur
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How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic church.
Luke 6:43
“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.”
Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they produced?
“Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and many
people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah.
But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.”
Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel only 10
minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the priest and NOT
READ IT FOR YOURSELF???
THINK
jlocute
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If I show you some verse in the Bible you will not believe even.
Because certainly, there are eyes that cannot see and ears that
cannot hear.
Besides, the Bible is not the only basis of truth. Many religions
based their beliefs only in the Bible, but what happen? Because
the science of reason, there is a tendency to constitute human
intelligence alone as the criterion of truth. With reasoning give
birth to errors thru their own interpretations. As a result there
are many Christian denominations and sects that are all
professing their own truth. These errors are being propagated
by false teachers, by renowned theologians who no longer
teaching the truths of the Gospel, but pernicious heresies based
on error and human reasoning. It is because of these teachings,
the faith is lost and great apostasy is spread anywhere. Truly
many false prophets will appear and don’t be deceived.
We are out of topic now, you really try to discredit the Catholic
Church. It’s the only one standing right now opposing the evil
while many Gods children join and embrace the enemy in
attacking its Church.
jur
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i.e.,
“Why do we pray to saints when we can pray to God?”
jur
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Wilberg
jlocute
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vanillae
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“How sure are you that THAT “church” is the Catholic
church.”
It’s for you to find out. He who seeks finds. Are you seeking
the truth within the Catholic Church or you’re just trying to
find faults? Does the holiness of the Church make its members
evil, or it is the obstinacy of the people that makes them more
evil? If you want to prove that there is another church that is
the real Church of Christ, then point it for us that we might be
saved with you.
“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good
fruit.”
Are we not all sinners? Isn’t sin a bad fruit? Are you without
sin? If you have, do you imply that your church is not the true
Church? If you claim to be without sin, you deceive yourself
and the truth is not in you. Is Jesus not the Christ because he
bore Judas? What I could say is that you don’t understand the
passage that you are using.
“Over the past ten centuries, what kind of fruit have they
produced?”
“Many false prophets will appear and fool many people; and
many people’s love will grow cold because of increased
distance from Torah. But whoever holds out till the end will be
delivered.”
“Ever noticed the Catholic church wants you to hear the gospel
only 10 minutes every sunday, SUBJECTIVELY from the
priest and NOT READ IT FOR YOURSELF???”
And what does the word “subjectively” mean here? That the
letters are changing when somebody else (the priest) read it for
you? Is it not right that the pastor reads for the assembly? Or
you’re suggesting that the assembly go at the front and read the
Scripture one by one? Besides, the part of the priest in the
readings of the passages is only the Gospel (ie. Matthew, Mark,
Luke, John), everything else is read by laymen.
Think.
John
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@jur
malamang hindi ka katoliko, pero may tanong ako sa’yo na
hindi natin kukunin sa bible ang sagot, kindi sa ating mga
sariling utak lang, kung meron man, I’m sure lahat meron nun,
hindi lang lahat gumagamit. ok, lets begin, pag ang members
ng iba’t ibang relihiyon tinanong mo kung saan nanggaling
yung mga aral tungkol sa Diyos na nalalaman niya ngayon,
siyempre ang itu2ro nya eh ang magulang nya o ang mga pastor
ng relihiyon nila, at pag tinanong mo yung mga pastor na yun,
ang isasagot nila eh sa bibliya o sa founder ng relihiyon nila,
sino2x nga ba ang founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon, c Felix
Manalo, c Ely Soriano, etc., in short puro tao lang sila, eh ang
katoliko, sino nagpasimula nito, sabihin nating ang mga pari,
monsinyor, obispo, cardinal, santo papa, saan ba sila lahat
nagmula, eh di sa unang santo papa na nagtatag nang
katolikong simbahan, at sino ‘to, c St. Peter o San Pedro, at
sino siya, siya ay apostol ng ating Panginoong Hesu’ Kristo, at
hindi ko lang matandaan ang verse pero si Hesus mismo ang
ngtatag ng katolikong simbahan through St. Peter, dahil sinabi
Niya kay Peter, hindi man eksakto pero yan ung nilalaman nun
“Peter, you are the rock, on which I WILL BUILD MY
CHURCH” at si Hesus ang Panginoon, Siya ang Diyos… pag-
isipan nyo ngayon kung sino ang FALSE PROPHET na
binanggit sa bibliya, hmmm, hindi kaya yung mga
pangkaraniwang tao na founder ng iba’t ibang relihiyon
ngayon?hmmmm nagtatanong lang…
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urak
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Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using contraceptives or
preventing the production of eggs and preventing the passage of sperm to the womb is
a form of abortion!
Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or imprisonment) by the
roman catholic church because he insisted that the world is round and the planets
moves around the sun. The church insisted the opposite.
jlocute
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Dont ask such things like that. Those are silly questions of people who wants
to justify their wrong doings by asking where it is in the bible. I ask you, does
the word “Bible” in the bible? Does the word “Holy Trinity” in the bible?
Does the word “Christmas” in the bible? But still the bible is word of God
written by evangelists inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Not are all in the Bible which is Sacred Scripture. In Catholics, there is also a
so called Sacred Traditions. These are teachings by words and mouth hand
over by apostles to peoples at that time down to popes, bishops, priests and to
us.
2 Thes 2:15
“Then, brothers and sisters, firmly hold on to the traditions we taught you
either when we spoke to you or in our letter”
The Church has its authority as given to St Peter, the first Pope.
“Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona . . . Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I
will build my church.” (Matt. 16:17-19).
“There shall be one fold and one shepherd.” (John 10:16).
“Feed my lambs . . . feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17).
Apostles understood that Peter had authority from Christ to lead the Church,
for they gave him the presiding place every time they assembled in council
(Acts 1:15, 5:1-10), and they placed his name first every time they listed the
names of the Apostles. (Matt. 10:2, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13-14, Acts 1:13).
Also, most Saints have been blessed with Divine Revelations which are
messages from Jesus, Mama Mary and other saints. There are also mystics and
visionaries favored with messages from God.
urak
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The bible did not mention anything that says Peter was the first
pope….
jlocute
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urak
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jlocute
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urak
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vanillae
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urak
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http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m004rpInqui
sition_Jan04.htm
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06
.html
jlocute
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pomum
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what?
urak
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I was expecting that this passage will pop up anytime. Not so clever
though, you are so literal in your logic. You miss the whole point of
the story. In the ancient time, it was their practice to take their dead
brother’s position as a husband to continue his bloodline and to take
care of the widows. The whole point of the “bad action” is about
SWINDLING, DISOBEDIENCE and DECEIT. However, I agree with
you that masturbation is wrong in the sight of God but the spilling of
semen is just a consequence action of the “sin in the mind”, fornication
or adultery in the mind is considered fornication and adultery is the
standard of God.
You think as if sex if only for procreation…but you are wrong. God is
not kill-joy. He design sex not just for procreation but also for comfort,
intimacy and pleasure in marriage. Did you not wonder why is it that
God design the woman womb to be fertile only for 2-3 days in a
month? What will you do with the 27-28 days? Spill/Waste the semen
in the womb? — and thats according to your logic.
Neigyl R. Noval
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urak :
Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using
contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the
passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!
Hundreds of years ago Galileo was subjected to inquisition (or
imprisonment) by the roman catholic church because he insisted that
the world is round and the planets moves around the sun. The church
insisted the opposite.
Here:
http://www.maryourmother.net/Life.html
That is the reason why the Church is against the RH bill. Life begins at
conception and it is there in the Bible. So during the time when the sperm cell
and the egg cell meets, life is now formed! However, the natural tendency of
the flow of sperm cell to the egg cell is being distorted by the contraceptives.
That is the main reason why contraceptives is considered as a MURDER to
the new-born life. Again, it is because life begins at conception and not when
the fetus is made visible to the womb.
47.
urak
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vanillae
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I agree.
48.
jlocute
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It is told by the Blessed Mother in her apparitions, that “sins of the flesh” is the most
reason why many people goes to hell. Many abuse their sexuality today;
contraceptives, masturbation, infidelity with their partner, premarital sex and” live-in
and sex” without marriage. What seems to be good or fine for human maybe a sin to
God in his infinite goodness. In the Bible, Jesus told us that anyone who looks at a
woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. All of these are
sin which we think are normal during this time.
Don’t be fooled by Satan. We people, should always pray and ask for divine
discernment and wisdom to know what is good and evil. How often do we pray, 5
mins in morning and 5 mins in evening? 10 minutes out of 24 hours God gave you?
Do you think its worth for Him. We should always pray to God… pray pray and pray
so that we will not fall against the snares and temptations of the evil. Satan tends to
confuse us, by mixing good with bad, truths with lies and he hides so that we may not
know.
49.
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The heat is on again as the Mass Media (television networks, radio stations and
newspapers in particular) highlight the conflicting stands of those who support and
those who are against the approval and signing into law of House Bill # 5043 – the
“Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008” (or simply the “RH
Bill”). Among those who belong to the second group are the members of the Catholic
Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), proponents of the Catholic Church,
and devout Catholics. But what is it exactly that triggers their opposition? What
provisions present in the proposed House Bill do they find unacceptable?
Let us begin with some important clarifications. First, the proposed House Bill is not
imposed on every Filipino citizen as a mandatory practice to be put into practice. This
means that it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for those who
would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service providers who
would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the corresponding services to
those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section 21). The Bill in no way forces anyone,
for example, to use artificial contraceptives when he or she does not want to. The RH
Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of conscience of single
individuals. For example, in Section 3.g it states: “the number and spacing of children
are left to the sound judgment of parents and couples based on their personal
conviction and religious beliefs”. In Section 21.a.5 (concerning prohibited acts for
health care service providers) we read that they are not allowed to “refuse to extend
reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil
status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature
of work, provided that all conscientious objections of health care service providers
based on religious grounds shall be respected …”
Second, although the hub of the heated debates nowadays focus more on the question
of the use of different methods – either natural or artificial (or “modern”, as the RH
prefers to call such methods: cfr. Sections 3.a; 11; 12.f) – to prevent “unwanted,
unplanned and mistimed pregnancies” (Section 5.k and 12.f) or “reduce incidence of
teenage pregnancies” (Section 4.r), the proposed Bill actually covers many other
questions directly and indirectly related to health, like gender equality (Sections 2.c;
3.i; 4.e), infant mortality and maternal death (Sections 4.r; 4.m), violence against
women (Section 4.g.7), women empowerment (Section 2.c), discrimination against
women (Section 17), certain gynecological conditions (Section 4.g.9), etc. Here lies
one of the difficulties in approving or signing the proposed Bill in toto (although
Section 25 states that “if any part, section or provision of this Act is held invalid or
unconstitutional, other provisions not affected thereby shall remain in full force and
effect”). The difficulty at this point concerns not only the validity or the invalidity or
the constitutionality or not of some provisions or parts of the proposed Bill, but what
one’s conscience or religious conviction dictates. Will a legislator approve a House
Bill even when a part of it is against the dictates of his conscience or the religious
convictions of enlightened (not ignorant) Catholics?
Third, although some provisions of the Bill are well acceptable to the Catholic Church
insofar as they are in accord or, at least, do not violate her teachings about faith and
morals (like the Philippine government’s stand against abortion: cfr. Sections 3.m and
5.f.5), its proposals concerning the use of “modern” methods of family planning
openly go against the Church’s magisterium, for example, where it speaks of
“hospital-based” family planning techniques like tubal ligation, vasectomy and IUD
(intrauterine device) insertion (Section 5.i) or of contraceptives (Section 10). The
Catholic Church’s stand on the use of artificial methods has been clearly defined (cfr.
Catechism of the Catholic Church or CCC § 2370). She also believes that states or
governments are not authorized to propose or implement means contrary to the natural
law (CCC § 2372) and remains steadfast in her position that the best way through
which states or governments can intervene to orient the demography of the population
is by means of objective and respectful information or education (CCC § 2372).
Both the proposed House Bill and the Catholic Church agree on many points, like on
the importance of sexual education and value formation (RH Section 12), on forming
attitudes and beliefs about sex (Sections 4.h; 12.c), on responsible sexuality (Section
12.i), on the upliftment of the quality of life of the people, particularly the poor, the
needy and the marginalized (Section 3.j), on gender equality and reduction of
inequality between the sexes (Sections 4.f; 4.h; 4.p), on the proscription of abortion
(Sections 3.m; 5.f.5; 12.d), and so forth – all geared towards the improvement of the
quality of life of the people, particularly through “reduction of inequality and
eradication of widespread poverty” (Section 4.p) and providing health services. But
they clearly disagree on some concrete steps to be taken to reach their common goal.
Finally, it has become a popular outcry, even on the part of some “modernist”
Catholics, to demand for a separation between the Church and the State, to the effect
that – they claim – the former should not interfere with the affairs of the latter. Is this
the result of a well thought-out conviction or simply an outcry of convenience? It is
true that there is such a thing as separation of ecclesiastical and government civil
powers, but we must remember that both Church and State deal and are concerned
with the well-being of one and the same subject: the human person. And where his
fundamental rights or his dignity are threatened by any worldly power, authority,
organization, group, etc., by one means or another, both Church and State must
intervene and, if necessary, enter into a dialogue. Both have the right to voice out their
stand and principles although they must remain, as much as possible, each one within
its own realm or area of competence. Unfortunately, since both are concerned with
one and the same subject, conflicts and tensions inevitably arise, for we really cannot
separate man’s material and spiritual needs one from the other. One always has a
repercussion on the other for we are neither pure spirits nor physical bodies. The
Catholic Church is expressing her stand on the present issue, which goes well beyond
the question of physical or material health care. It rather touches on fundamental
human rights, on religious convictions, and conscience. Each Filipino citizen has,
indeed, the right to take a stand on the proposed House Bill # 5043, irrespective of
their faith or religious affiliation (if one has any). Each man has the right to voice his
opinion and that is precisely what the proponents of the Catholic Church are doing,
and no one has the right to silence others when these do not agree with what he or she
personally believes. The ultimate battle ground is one’s own conscience, but let it be a
well-formed and enlightened one, understanding the stands of both the Church and the
State, the reasons behind their oftentimes conflicting positions, and – as Catholics –
taking into consideration what the Church has to say about questions of faith and
morals. Let decisions be taken not just on the ground of convenience and purely
personal likes and dislikes, but on the basis of solid convictions and profound
principles.
Wilberg
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You said: “…the proposed House Bill is not imposed on every Filipino citizen
as a mandatory practice to be put into practice.”
I say: Contraception is not mandatory and it will not be. That’s off the
question. It’s not even worth a mention. What you have missed is that tax is
mandatory and this bill will be getting our tax money to buy contraceptives. In
that sense, are we not obliged to do things that are against our will?
You said: “…it simply legalizes the use of certain reproductive methods for
those who would want to avail of them and sanctions those health care service
providers who would refuse to extend the necessary means or offer the
corresponding services to those who would ask for them (cfr. RH Section
21).”
I say: First of, we are talking about contraceptive methods, not reproductive
methods. Second, the bill does not intend to legalize the use of contraceptives;
it is not illegal in the first place. What it wants is to allocate a budget for
contraceptive drugs, devices, and services. The bill is all about budgets, by the
way. Third, section 21 does not concern only the health care providers but
anyone who will go against the intentions of the bill. When they say anyone,
they mean anyone.
You said: “The RH Bill in many places respects freedom of choice and of
conscience of single individuals.”
I say: You are implying that the bill respects freedom of choice and of
conscience in some aspects but not in every aspect, and that you are okay with
it. So, disrespect is sometimes acceptable? Let me inform you that the
proponents of this bill does not know the meaning of respect (as you should
have noticed), so they don’t know how to show it in any way. When they
drafted the proposal, what they have in mind is money and not respect.
You said: “…the number and spacing of children are left to the sound
judgment of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and
religious beliefs.”
I say: The bill explicitly said that, “In the elementary level, reproductive health
education shall focus, among others, on values formation,” and that
“Reproductive Health Education curriculum shall cover (c.) Attitudes, beliefs
and values on sexual development, sexual behavior and sexual health.” Values
education and religious beliefs go hand in hand. You cannot accept both
“contraceptive values” from the school and Catholic morality from the Church
and from the parents. Your quote and my quote both came from the same
document which hypocritically contradicts itself and deliberately deceives the
reader.
You have quoted: “…provided that all conscientious objections of health care
service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected.”
The bill, as a whole, is nonsense. It tries to disguise its wickedness through the
help of some acceptable proposals, which in reality are unnecessary ones.
Basically, the proposal can be divided into two parts: evil ideas that must not
be passed as a law, and benign ideas (which they hypocritically proposed) that
should not be mixed with this bill. The strategy is cunning but unfortunately
(or fortunately), the intent is very obvious.
wawam
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the catholic church disrespects the filipino people when it imposes its
beliefs on the whole nation when in fact not all filipinos are catholics.
not only that, even catholics overwhelmingly support RH Bill 5043.
50.
wawam
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urak :
Quote me a verse in the Bible that explicitly say or imply that using
contraceptives or preventing the production of eggs and preventing the
passage of sperm to the womb is a form of abortion!
the basis for the church’s stand on birth control is the encyclical Humanae Vitae, click
here:
http://2010presidentiables.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/humanae-vitae-encyclical-the-
catholic-churchs-basis-for-its-stand-on-birth-control/
jlocute
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Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are
today and opposing God.
urak
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It what sense does a family planning program that promotes the use of
condoms and pills makes us evil? this is a family planning program
meaning it is intended for married couples only.
vanillae
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Really?
Neigyl R. Noval
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urak :
It what sense does a family planning program that
promotes the use of condoms and pills makes us evil?
this is a family planning program meaning it is intended
for married couples only.
urak
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I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman
catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations
or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.
jlocute
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I told you that not are all in the Bible, how come the Bible tell you on
use of condoms and contraceptives when these things doesn’t exist
during that time?
Don’t justify the unevilness of this bill by asking verse from the Bible.
Satan seduces many people that if they cannot find any Bible quotes
for things, then they are free to do it?
Please tell me, where in the Bible can you find the word “Bible” itself?
hmmm..
Now tell me, are all written in the Bible???
urak
Well, if its not in the bible how will you know that its the truth?
You see, the problem is if you start wondering outside the bible
there will be no common ground cause you will insert tradition
and tradition is not all the time correct. When Jesus was
incarnated in human form one of His purpose is to show the
right way of living for us because our traditions is so mess up.
In the new testament, you can often read Jesus rebuking the
religious leaders at that time because of their wrong/wicked
traditions.
jlocute
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Yes you are correct. Those were the Jews during that
time. Observe that in the Bible there are two kinds of
religious tradition — human and divine. Observe that
when Christ accused the Pharisees He was referring to
“precepts of men” (Mark 7:7), to their human traditions.
Christ wanted divine tradition preserved and honored
because He made it part and parcel of the Christian
deposit of faith — as the Apostle Paul affirmed: “Stand
fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned,
whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:14.
Also see 2 Thess. 3:6). This divine tradition to which
Paul refers — this revealed truth which was handed
down by word rather than by letter — is the tradition
upon which, along with Sacred Scripture, the Catholic
Church bases her tenets of faith — as the primitive
Christian Fathers affirmed. Wrote St. Augustine: “These
traditions of the Christian name, therefore, so numerous,
so powerful, and most dear, justly keep a believing man
in the Catholic Church.” The New Testament itself is a
product of Christian tradition. Nowhere in the New
Testament is there any mention of a New Testament.
vanillae
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Second question is, where in the Bible did you read that
the true Church will die or that for more than 1000
years, true Christians will disappear. Is it even possible?
urak
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That is why I included the word imply. Not directly stating the
word condom or contraception but at least you can show me a
verse/passage that clearly supports your claim against the use
of such devices.
vanillae
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Where does the sperm end after a condomized
intercourse? Does it take its natural course as designed
by its architect? Or it dies out inside the condom which
was thrown in a garbage bin?
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karl
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to P-noy, please do more on fighting corruption, not with this blasphemous RH-Bill.
wawam
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condoms, pills and IUDs have been in the philippines and have been soldd for
decades – do you see sex everywhere now?
vanillae
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Do you not?
Will you not call sexual acts being performed by elementary and high
school students “sex everywhere”?
Second truth that you have missed is that contraceptives are still taboo
in the country. You won’t see 5 out of 10 teenagers casually buying
condoms or pills just like buying a candy; less likely that you can
expect them to have sex just anywhere publicly.
52.
wawam
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jlocute :
Thanks wawam. Urak please read that, so that we may know how evil we are
today and opposing God.
vanillae
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The Catholic Church is 2000 years old; the Church in the Philippines is 488
years old, more or less. It does not base its teaching on sexual morality solely
on Humanae Vitae as if sex is a modern invention. It just happened that the
encyclical letter particularly and intentionally addresses contraceptive
mentality. The Church is already speaking against contraception since almost
two millenniums ago. And it’s not surprising, because these so-called modern
methods are not really modern as they claim it to be. They may even be older
than Christianity.
53.
wawam
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urak :
I said biblical text. Do not give me quotations from popes and other Roman
catholic personalities. Because they could be wrong with their interpretations
or might be based on traditions which are not biblical.
i am not debating with you. i am merely stating a fact – that humane vitae is the basis
for the catholic church’s stand on birth control.
urak
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Well then, your “human vitae” is based only on the “opinion” of the pope. The
ultimate basis for morality is God’s written words not the pope’s word. You
see the pope is just a human being who can commit mistakes. If you research
the lives of all previous popes, you will see many of them committed
fornications, some even have children – and this is FACTUAL.
jlocute
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The doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean the Pope is always
right in all his personal teachings. Catholics are quite aware that,
despite his great learning, the Pope is very much a human being and
therefore liable to commit human error. On some subjects, like sports
and manufacturing, his judgment is liable to be very faulty. The
doctrine simply means that the Pope is divinely protected from error
when, acting in his official capacity as chief shepherd of the Catholic
fold, he promulgates a decision which is binding on the conscience of
all Catholics throughout the world. In other words, his infallibility is
limited to his specialty–the Faith of Jesus Christ.
urak
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The only source of moral guidance is the word of God – the
bible. Good-luck to your traditions and man made
“procedures”.
vanillae
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Actually, the discussion here is already far off the track, and it is
because of the consistent attempt to discredit the Catholic Church,
while the real issue is objective morality — regardless of whether the
Church taught it or not. Good deeds are still good even without the
Church’s approval; evil will always be evil even without the Church’s
verdict. The Church does not decide which is good; she teaches it.
urak
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urak
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54.
jlocute
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Ang posisyon ng simbahan ukol sa usaping ito ay tama at nararapat, maaring hindi
katanggap tanggap sa marami at hindi praktikal.
Kung sasangayon ang simbahan dito, parang sinabi ng simbahan na OK na pagbigyan
ang SEXUAL urges kailangan lang walang consequence.
Ang mensahe ng prinsipyong ito ay maaring ipahayag sa ganitong paraan. Dahil ang
natural na consequence ng sex ay ang posibilidad na magkaanak, maaring lunasan ito
basta gumamit ng condom o ibang method. Pero malinaw na ang layunin ay
PAGBIGYAN ANG SEXUAL URGES na walang consequence. Kung ito ang
prinsipyo na gustong ipalulun sa simbahan ng karamihan at kung lulunukin ito ng
simbahan dahil sa pressure ng “karamihan” wala nang prinsipyo ang simbahan na
sasandalan para komontra sa naglipanang “night spots”, women for hire, at
promiscuity. Dahil ang pagsang ayon dito ay nangangahulugan ng pagsangayon sa
pagbibigay sa makamundong pagnananasa basta walang consequence(pagbubuntis).
Di na rin dapat kontrahin ang pakikipag sex kung kanikanino dahil pagbibigay daan
lamang ito sa “pangangailangan ng katawan” basta gumamit lamang ng condom.
At kung ganitong prinsipyo ang susundin, ok lang ba gumawa ng bagay na
makapagpapasaya sa iyo basta walang consequence. Pwede na ba mang rape basta i-
drug muna yung babae para walang discomfort sa kanya, walang maalala kung gising
yung biktimang babae, dapat siguruhing maliligayahan din siya at importante mag
condom para di magbuntis at wag pahuhuli para di makulong. Kung
magnanakaw(para masaya) ka, dapat wag kang pahuhuli para di ka makulong
(consequence). O kaya i legalize na lang ang pagnanakaw?
Ano kaya ang komunidad na kagigisnan natin kung ganitong prinsipyo ang paiiralin?
55.
wawam
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jlocute :
the church seeks to bully the state into taking it’s position and nothing else. the
church seeks to bully the state into promoting only traditional methods of
contraception and deprive the citizenry knowledge and support on modern
methods of contraception. the church is for putting blinders on the citizens
preventing them from making an informed choice.
vanillae
Bully? For what reason? And how will it be possible for the State to be
bullied?
Look on the other side, instead. Whose conscience are being violated by this
bill? Isn’t it the Catholic conscience. Take note, it “violates” the Catholic
conscience. Who did you say is being bullied? Now, whose taxes are they
planning to use to violate Catholic conscience? Non-Catholics’ taxes? I
believe I don’t have to mention that majority of Filipinos are Catholics. So, we
are working hard to give the State a large sum of money for it to be able to
violate our conscience. Who again is the bully? Last question, did the
proponents of the bill followed the Constitution regarding making policies that
affects families? A big NO. Did they ask Catholic family
associations/organizations if they agree on the proposal? No. They do the
opposite, instead. So, whose will, rights, dignity, and freedom are they
attacking? Non-Catholics’? Let me here the words again, who is bullying
who?
wawam
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bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of
what happened during the People Power Revolution. the only problem
with this bully tactic is that a high 71% of catholics support RH Bill
5043.
Wilberg
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I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be
bullied? Can’t it not stand for what it believes is right?
Furthermore, civil disobedience in this case is a responsibility
of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are saying
these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey
God rather than men!”
Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to
bully? They just don’t matter?
Sir
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wawam
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Wilberg
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56.
Satan
October 5, 2010 at 3:20 pm | #391
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The most effective method is abstinence, which the Church teaches consistently even
before we were born. If you do not want to have children, don’t have sex. Difficult?
That’s because you believe that sex is an ESSENTIAL need like food and water. But
the truth is, you can live a long life without having sex. Sex, though is needed by
humanity for the continuity of its survival.
57.
jlocute
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“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her
as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the
offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did
was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also. ”
What does it mean, Onan simply spilled his semen on the ground not to produce
offspring. Then, it is already wicked in the eyes of the Lord. Withdrawal,
masturbation is a sin already so as the same as contraception. You counter God’s
purpose of sex!
58.
pututuy
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Sir
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@pututuy
Are you suggesting that the children, lined up along the road inhaling who-
knows-what, were better off not being brought into this world? Spare them the
cruelty? Are there no other means to address this poverty without resorting to
contraception?
Sigurado akong kaya mo rin mag back-read since nakapag post ka naman.
Paki search ang mga ito na i-pinost ni “Neigyl R. Noval”. Dun mo makikita
ang ilang dikanais-nais na pilit itinatago sa mahalimuyak na salita.
Tama ka, ang tao ay nagkakamali. Kaya kelangan nga nating ipagdasal di
lamang ang Pilipinas kundi ang lahat ng mga PAMILYA sa buong mundo na
laging punteryang sirain ng demonyo.
59.
papampam
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(From a friend’s Facebook status): “RH Bill should not be passed because it will be a
useless law. Why? Coz it
will only be use as a corruption tool for the gov’t officials. But if
the DOH needs “beating” just to make an action, RH Bill should be made
into law. Shame on them..”
COMMENT: “there is no such thing as useless law, just useless law enforcers.”
REPLY: “hmm..it will be a useless law kasi the subject itself doesn’t need a law.
Kahit ang DOH, kyang magpalabas ng kahit isang Memorandum to enforce the same
even without a law. May mga National Issue kasi na hindi mo na kailangan ng batas
to enforce it. Ang ikinakaba ko dito ay bka gawin itong tool ng mga corrupt officials
to cover up their bad deeds..”
“bigyan kita ng example ng useless law- the anti-smoking law enforce to
PUV(jeepneys, fx, bus, etc) Why useless?? pinagbbwal nila ang paninigarilyo sa loob
ng jeep, but the amount of smoke from other vehicles caused greater harm than the
smoke of the cigarette itself. Totally useless..”
COMMENT: “it’s not useless kung EFFECTIVE ang law enforcers. kaya nga may
anti-smoke belching campaign e, para HINDI useless ang anti-smoking law. nasa
pagpapatupad lang yan. my point is, kung ang mga tao ay marunong sumunod at
magpasunod, ang mga batas ay hindi maisasapagwalang bahala.”
REPLY: “hmm..generally, ang pagiging effective ng batas ay hndi dpt iasa lng sa mga
“law enforcements”, kundi dpt ding ipagkatiwla sa pagiging disiplinado ng mga tao.
On the other hand, RH bill is a preventive law, and the nature of RH bill is the
…enforcement of moral responsibility of the public to the state. At pg cnbi mong
moral responsibility, gawin man ng isang tao un o hndi, wlang makukulong or wlang
mggwa ang gov’t kng hndi man niya gwn un. Now, my main point is that, why do u
need to pass a law that concerns moral responsibility, that in the future, will be useless
at tanging gov’t officials lng ang nakikinabang.”
COMMENT: “it’s not all about moral responsibility of the public to state BUT ALSO
the responsibility of the state to the public. ilan sa kasama sa RH bill ang pagbibigay
ng sapat na kaalaman at serbisyo lalo na sa mahihirap, karagdagang sakop ng
insurance, karagdagang mga midwives at OB sa mga GHU, at iba pa. at nakalagay din
dun na ang hindi pagbigay ng tamang serbisyo sa publiko ng mga nasa kinauukulan
ay may penalty. therefore, may pakinabang ang publiko dito lalo na ang mahihirap.
hindi ito magiging useless kung ipapatupad nang tama.”
COMMENT2: “why would it be useless? e sa tingin mo ba if people especially those
who are uneducated-unlike law enforcers-would be EDUCATED would that be
useless? besides the point, tulad nga ng sinabi mo “hindi dapat iasa lang sa law
enforcements”, so… why not implement it para lahat tayo may fair share of
responsibilities. kung isa kang law enforcer, and even you alone is not abiding by the
law, do you think may susunod pa sayo? (i am pertaining to those who are smoking
inside public transportation vehicles thing), ang point nila is not to prevent the
pollution but DECREASE it.”
REPLY: “Ok mates, may main point here is that, all the things that ***** said in her
comment regarding the content of RH Bill, do you think kailangan pa ng batas niyan
para lang ma-implement yan?? I don’t think so! Kahit isang Memorandum, kayang
…iimplement ng DOH yan without supporting laws and without the threat of
violating any other laws. Now, the only think that makes this law very interesting is
that, more public officials will use this a “corruption tool” for their bad deeds. That is
why I made a conclusion that it is a useless law. Sana nakuha niyo ang point ko..”
“if we’re going to look at the general thinking of implementation of law, RH Bill is
very very easy to implement. The word “useless” that I have use is not about its
implementation in general but what it will be in the future. Yes, RH …bill will be a
useless law, and I stand to it. Why? BECAUSE EVEN WITHOUT THIS LAW, all its
content can be implemented by the gov’t. It is also useless for me, because it can be,as
I always saying, a tool for corruption in the future. And I do not care about its
implementation or whatever. Hope you get it right.”
COMMENT: “kung memorandum lang ang gagawin, mas prone sa corruption kasi
within DOH lang yung written note, mas madaling hindi sundin. unlike kung
isasabatas, required magpasa ng annual report ang DOH sa presidente. at kung
isasabatas, tiyak na may penalty ang kinauukulang hindi susunod. I was just
wondering, in what way magagamit ito bilang corruption tool kung isasabatas? can
you give examples? at anong other laws ang maaari nitong i-violate, if ever?”
REPLY: “In terms of violating law, wla akung cnsbing ganun. Maaring may
overlapping in terms of other law, but wla siyang ma-vaviolate. Hmm..ito nman ang
tanong ko syo, how can you say na mas prone sa corruption ang pagpasa ng simple
memorandum if the capability and the budget involved are too small and easy to
track?? Do you have any proof? Actually, Government institution like DOH has the
ability to impose sanction if a certain hospital or person do not follow the same.
Dun nman sa sinasabi mong example, bbigyan kita pro the most basic lang. The DOH
will order a 50,000 boxes of condoms for the purpose of distribution as part of the RH
Bill(law). The total amount is 5 million pesos. But this one official facilitated the
trade and declared the amount as 7 million pesos. one million for that official, one
million for the other. And because it is law, malinis tingnan. Basic example lng yn but
I know, we know, na meron pang iba kalokohan na mangyayari.”
COMMENT: “Hindi ba possible na mangyari din ang sinabi mong example kung
gagawin itong isang memorandum?”
REPLY: “Well, the budget will be too small if it will go under a Memorandum
process. Small budget means easy to audit, easy to audit means easy to track, easier
tracking means easier process to determine if corruption happens. Unlike pag
malakihan, maraming hndi magsasalita dahil, nbyran na. Minsan kasi, pang-cover up
lng ang batas to make way for a bigger operation of corruption. Mukhang mgnda lng
sa paningin pro di maiiwsang may hidden agenda un.”
COMMENT: “if you think that is a good alternative, why not suggest it at PNoy’s
blog? It could help.”
REPLY: “ahh..wg na..aksaya lng ng oras. I’ll just leave it to his good judgment. ^^”
COMMENT: “some ideas are worth sharing. mas nanghihinayang ako sa buwis na
mawawala kesa sa oras na maaaksaya. ”
60.
jlocute
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Many has been saying that contraceptives is not a sin and is unbiblical. Well please
read this:
Genesis 38:8-10
“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her
as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the
offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did
was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he put him to death also.”
Here, Onan spilled his semen on the ground not to produce offspring. And this was
considered sin in the eyes of the Lord. He was put to death at that time. This is the
same as masturbation, withdrawal and the use of contraceptives which are all sin. Sex
has its purpose; do not contradict the will of God on His purpose.
The Lord wants us to multiply. Contraceptives oppose the will of the God. Here are
some Bible verses:
Deuteronomy 6:3
“Listen closely, Israel, and be careful to obey. Then all will go well with you, and you
will have many children in the land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD,
the God of your ancestors, promised you”
Genesis 9:7
“And you, be fruitful and multiply, teem on the earth and multiply in it.”
Deuteronomy 8:1
“The whole commandment that I command you today you shall be careful to do, that
you may live and multiply, and go in and possess the land that the LORD swore to
give to your fathers.
People have been persuaded by the devil that they are entitled to have sex when they
choose, rejecting any unwanted life that may result. The enemy may tell you “God is
too demanding and unreasonable”. “If we distributed more condoms we would not
have disease or the need to abort babies”. “It’s God’s fault because God’s Church is
against the use of condoms”.
Sexual intercourse, by its nature and intent is potentially life giving act. This is God’s
version. The enemy’s version is that sex can be closed to give life and used for
physical pleasure only. Enemy’s version of sex is selfish, emotionally dangerous, and
bad for humanity. The enemy offers an answer to this too, and led souls to avoid
consequences by offering widespread contraception and abortion. Both men and
women are now told that sinful sexual behaviors are allowable and acceptable. God
intends that a man and woman enter a blessed union (through marriage) and then
share their sexuality with one another. The devil is mocking God because he depicts
God’s purpose. He is laughing because many led astray on this sin.
jur
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“Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty
to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan
knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his
brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing
offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so he
put him to death also.”
If you read this passage understanding Jewish tradition.
You should learn that.
God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he was
selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.
Sources:
Bible scholar
Wilberg
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“God did not get angry because Onan spilled his semen, but because he
was selfish enough not to give his sister-in-law a child.”
Did I hear you say the word “selfish”? Isn’t this the same word that we
are trying to point out? But you are always missing the point.
Look here:
#53 – “It is also to be feared that the man, growing used to the
employment of anti-conceptive practices, may finally engage to
conjugal infidelity or may lose respect for the woman and, no longer
caring for her physical equilibrium, may come to the point of
considering her as a mere instrumental good of selfish achievement of
pleasure, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion.”
#106 – “You don’t want your wife or daughter or mother being used
by other people (multiple in number, if sex outside of marriage is not
wrong) for their selfish carnal pleasure.”
All this time, you haven’t had a clue that what we’re really talking
about here is selfishness. You have even recourse to exegetes and the
point is already right in front your nose, but you still missed it.
ELITISTAKAUNO?
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urak
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The key word is Deceit and disobedience….dont Just look at the word semen
without reading the story.
61.
bobokasiako
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nagagalit ang simbahan dahil wala na silang karagdagang pagkakitaan. isa na dito ang
baptism. maliit na kasi ang birth rate. tapos every birthday pa ng sanggol na yan
hanggang lumaki eh nagbibigay ng pera sa simbahan. malaki talaga lugi ng simbahan.
wala na silang pera para sa mga chix nila. ito kasing simbahan putak ng putak eh
hindi naman nagbabayad ng tax. gumagamit pa kayo ng daan sa gobyerno habang
nagprosesyon kayo. kapal ng mukha niyo!
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Sir
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at isa pa, paki basa ang mga komento ng ibang tao kung bakit ganun nalang
ang tayo ng simbahan tungkol sa RH bill. Ikaw tong putak ng putak, eh halos
off topic ka naman.
Wilberg
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Yan din sana isa-suggest ko, medyo nauna ka lang. Basahin muna
kung ano ang mga napag-usapan na para hindi naman mapahiya nang
konti. Bago magbigay ng komento, alamin muna ang kwento.
Suggestion lang naman.
62.
Prontiera
mars
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63.
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pres. Aqiuno is an ass in supporting this dill for he knows the catholic church is
against this.
64.
Dominic
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tama galit na nga ang simbahan dahil hindi tama na suwayin ang cnabi ng diyos na ”
humayo kau`t magparami “.
urak
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Haha ibang klase talaga logic ninyo…mag parami kasi dalawa lang sila
noon.Eh ngayon 6 Billiona na mahigit and the earth resources is not growing
its even dwindling. Wag nating kalimutan na sinabi rin ng Panginoon kay
Adam and Eve “subdue the earth” – meaning we should control it, not destroy
it by overcrowding. Controlling the earth means make it sustainable for us.
How can we sustain our existence if there not enough resources to feed us due
to over population?
jlocute
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And who are the you then to say that the message of God is
outdated??? Kaya pala ngayon uso na ang patayan, prostitution,
pagnanakaw at lahat ng masasama.. ahh kasi outdated na yung message
ni God. Parang ganyan po yata ang gustong palabasin ng message mo
po. When God said “subdue the earth, He says to Adam and Eve to
control and govern the creatures on earth, like fish of sea, birds in sky
and all creatures in the land and that’s it. No more no less.
urak
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Who said that His word is outdated? The key word is the
“context” the “background” of the passage. DONT BE
LITTERAL…
Wilberg
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65.
jur
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The Catholic church is responsible for the deaths of thousands of martyrs who
devoted themselves to the translation of the bible.
VATICAN I
The bible was only written and preached in Latin, prohibiting people from
understanding its true meaning.
Thousands of scholars and millions were burned alive because they translated the
bible in English!
They died with their translated work hanged on their necks.
INDULGENCES?
PURGATORY?
MARY MOTHER OF GOD?
VATICAN II
THE REFORMED CATHOLIC CHURCH??
The NOW Catholic church adopted every protestant teaching there was.
Clearly, you are losing grasp of what you thought you firmly believed in by the length
of your comment.
Wilberg
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Where did you get your phony history and claims? Are you that desperate to
discredit the Church? You are embarrassing yourself.
urak
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Sir
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Pareng Jur,
It’s good that you ask these questions because it means you show interest, but
don’t you think they are better off posted on a catholic forum where they can
be addressed properly?
jlocute
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You have so many questions and you yourself doesn’t exert effort to find the
answers of it. Are you? Then go to a Catholic forum and let your eyes and ears
open. Do not be close minded. I am saying this to you with gentleness because
almost all the words in this forum are already full of emotions. Be careful of
not hurting feelings of others by not saying bad and nonsense words, that is
not Christ-like. Please, let us control our emotions and be gentle. This is a
virtue that we must practice here on earth.
urak
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You are the one who is close minded…dig into the history of the
roman catholic, the lives of many of your popes, the basis of your
doctrineS…educate your self with the word of God and not on written
documents of your Church leaders. GO BACK TO THE BASIC
FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY- THE BIBLE.
jlocute
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alex
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ayoko sa RH Bill na ito. Kung babasahin lang natin napakapositibo ngunit kung
susuriin natin ng maigi sa likod nito maraming kasamaan ang maidudulot sa tao. Ang
buhay ay biyayang kaloob ng Diyos sa bawat tao ngunit kung mayroong hahadlang sa
paglago ng buhay, hinahadlangan nito ang plano ng Diyos at ang ang paghadlang sa
plano ng Diyos ay pagsuway sa Diyos.Sino ang tao para hadlangan ang buhay na
ibibigay ng Diyos? ang paghihirap ng maraming Pilipino ay hindi dahil sa malaking
populasyon kundi sa kurapsyon. marami sa atin ang reklamo ng reklamo malaki daw
ang populasyon kaya tayo ay naghihirap sa palagay ko hindi dapat. maraming pilipino
ang nagpapakasasa sa yaman tulad ng “mayaman at si Lazaro” marami ang Kotse,
bahay, aso na kung minsan ay mahalaga pa sa tao. sa halip na pahalagahan ang tao iba
ang pinahahalagahan. ang tanong ko sa mga nagsusulong ng Bill na ito ano na nga ba
ang nagawa nyo para sa mga kapwa Pilipinong naghihirap? kaya ba ninyong ibigay
pati buhay niyo para sa mga maliliit na ito? Kung ang Diyos (KRISTO) ay
nagpakatao at ibinigay ang buhay NIYA para sa atin ano ang karapatan natin para
hadlangan ang buhay. ang “paghadlang” sa buhay ay pagtanggi sa buhay at ang
pagtanggi sa buhay ay pagtanngi sa Diyos na pinagmumulan ng buhay. ASK GOD
FIRST. Brothers and Sisters.
67.
wawam
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Wilberg :
According to the teaching of the Church where the president belongs, “Human
life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of
conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be
recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable
right of every innocent being to life.” Even the abortion and contraceptive
industries know very well that the Pill, IUD, and other so-called
contraceptives can kill a zygote. These people can change and manipulate
medical definitions but the truth remains that at the moment where the
spermatozoon penetrates the ovum (fertilization), a human being is conceived,
and to create an environment, through these killing agents, that is hostile to the
human zygote is nothing less than an abortion. It is not the CBCP who wrote
that, “Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The
Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime
against human life.”
“bully tactic #2: play the civil disobedience card reminding aquino of what
happened during the People Power Revolution.”
I will ask once again, how will it be possible for the State to be bullied? Can’t
it not stand for what it believes is right? Furthermore, civil disobedience in this
case is a responsibility of all true Catholics. The bishops and the faithful are
saying these words with Peter and the other apostles: “We must obey God
rather than men!”
Now, how about the people who the bill is really trying to bully? They just
don’t matter?
threatening the president with excommunication and civil disobedience is not the
church stating what it believes in. it is a threat. it is bullying.
the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is doing, it is
forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.
aquino’s position is to allow BOTH traditional methods of contraception AND
modern methods of contraception. aquino’s position INCLUDES the beliefs of the
church.
the catholic church on the other hand is trying to bully aquino to EXCLUDE modern
methods of contraception and promote only traditional methods of contraception.
Wilberg
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You should read the comments and stories that prove you wrong when you’re
insisting that the bishops threaten Noynoy of excommunication. Aside from
that, if the Church sees that a leader (a public figure and servant that is
supposed to protect the citizens) are acting in moral error, it is not wrong to
remind him that he might be excommunicated. But again, that is not even the
case here. Bishop Odchimar was even reluctant to talk about
excommunication. It is the media who assumed that the bishop is threatening
the president.
“the church can state whatever it believes in, but that is not just what it is
doing, it is forcing the administration to adapt its beliefs as state policy.”
Again, just to make my stand clear, there is no such thing as modern methods
– only artificial ones. So to avoid repetitions about this, better use the words
“natural” and “artificial”, rather than the propagandists’ terms, “traditional”
and “modern” as if they really exist.
Artificial methods are not illegal or disallowed in the country, and the bishops
do not even protest against having contraceptives in the pharmacies
nationwide. What they oppose is the idea that couples, students, and all the
citizens in general will be miseducated about contraception, values, beliefs,
and behaviors toward sexuality to create a contraceptive culture, and that we
will be obliged to give our money for something that we fight against.
You are casually ignoring the question: “Who really are being bullied?” Who
are being violated?
Sir
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@wawam
Again, there is no threat of excommunication against p-noy.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202368/cbcp-chief-no-threat-of-
excommunication-vs-aquino
Kindly read the Disclaimer of Bishop Nereo Odchimar, D.D., CBCP President
68.
laarni amoncio
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It is very sad because the mentality of the people is like this” kaya ka mahirap dahil
malaki ang family mo” baka naman kaya mahirap hindi sa laki ng family but because
of corruption. hindi masikip and pilipinas nagsisiksikan lang sa maynila.contraceptive
is not only the issue sa rh bill kundi the acro name na DEATH meaning,, DIVORCE,
MERCY KILLING,ABORTION,TOTAL PUPOLATION CONTROL,AT
HOMOSEXUAL.KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FOR RH BILL…THIS
IS THE ISSUE OF MORALITY KAYA THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
NAKIKIALAM. NAKAKALUNGKOT DIN NA NONOY MOTHER’S IS VERY
RELIGIOUS bkit hindi niya alam na this is not good for the humanity. ang mahirap
kasi kulang tayo ng disiplina we do what we want to do but not what we ought to
do.kaya mahirap din ang buhay ng iba nating kababayan dahil sa katamaran at sugal
hindi dahil sa malaking papolasyon..hanggang ngayon ang mahirap ay talagang
naghihirap at ang mayaman ay yumayaman kasi hindi patas. walang gustong
magshare ng wealth nila..hindi naman nila maisasama kapag nmatay sila, masyado
kasi tayong maraming kailangan na hindi naman importante.
69.
Sir
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What is the bill meant for anyway? What is the root reason on why this was created?