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I don't really post but got a bit of annoyed about couple of posts this morning. I will probably get a decent amount of flame for this, but before sharpening your pitchforks, this is a personal opinion, and maybe a wakeup call for some groups of people and / or companies. There is no ill intent or desire to insult anyone (if you feel insulted maybe take a look in the mirror and seriously evaluate if I am right or not). I initially wanted to link a couple of posts as examples but then I realized that the only thing that would achieve is to put those persons in a defensive position and decided against it. Also I am speaking mainly about IT. Other domains have other challenges. So... first type of posts (especially juniors): X days without a job, industry sucks. If this happens there are some possible reasons: - Industry really sucks - You are verry unlucky - You have unrealistic expectations compared to what you bring If industry really sucked there will be no job listings, many other people would have same issues. Unfortunately industry is a bit down overall (peaked in 2022 for a ton of reasons, if there are requests I can make a separate post about those), but is still up compared to 2019, and there are a decent amount of openings (also it is up compared to 2023). So it does suck, but that not much for this to be the main reason. You are unlucky... sorry, can't do anything about this. But if you were unlucky for 200+ days... maybe is not just lack of luck. There is a thing here that is objectively bad, and that is the "gatekeeper bots" (this can be a full separate post). Now about expectations... this may come as a shock for many people, but companies do not exist for you to have a job, they exist to make money (and hopefully to bring something good / useful to society - but realistically that is optional). If after n hundred days and m interviews you didn't secure anything... maybe the problem is you. Either you apply for positions you are underqualified, or you expect some unrealistic benefits. If you bring less money to the company than you are payed, you are not an asset, are a liability (how to evaluate this is a different topic, a different post). So... if you are in the first 2 categories I am sorry, is a hard year. If you are in the last one... maybe stop being an entitled snowflake and start bringing some value (or at least try). Unfortunately in order for you to start bringing value you need to start somewhere. Wasn't it better to have a not so great job for that 200 days and build some sort of portfolio instead of bitching about it? And regardless of the situation one thing is clear: Posting "200+ days without job" only decreases your chances. It tells the employer that you have been denied by everybody else for a long period of time, and puts you in a terrible light from the start. And I hit ln max char limit and didn't get to treat the other type of posts. Should I continue on a different post or I ranted enough? :D

Don Levey

Craftsman, Problem Solver, Evangelist for company and employee integrity, and Purveyor of Dark and Inappropriate Humor (in appropriate settings only, of course). AuDHD

2mo

Just because there are listings doesn't mean there are jobs. There are many companies who list positions, not because they exist, but to create the impression that they are doing well and growing. Stories abound from company insiders about how they're not really hiring; it only looks that way. There are also unrealistic expectations from potential employers about just how much they can get out of someone without paying them accordingly. This goes both ways. Being out of work for a year could also mean that they have not received an acceptable offer in that time - one that can feed their family, help retire debt, etc. For example, a company that asks you to do work for free as part of the interview will continue to do so after you're hired. Do you think that's reasonable?

Austin Leahy

Architecture | Security | Cloud | Big Data | Detection and Prediction at Scale | Apache Spot Founder

2mo

I think it’s a little important to hold on to some compassion Lately (and by lately I mean the last 12 months) when talking to hiring managers and reading posts by candidates you get the sense that something has gone very sideways in the technology job market. This trend is impacting very seasoned technical people in particular and it’s taking them by surprise. It’s not that jobs do or don’t exist and that candidates do or don’t exist to find them but rather LLMs have created a wash where companies are inundated with applications for a role that mostly all look the same no matter what. Resumes used to be a weed out because being able to articulate how and what you did somewhere was the first step in proving you had actual experience. That’s not the case anymore. The number one way experienced people seem report breaking through this wall isn’t resume optimization volume of applications or really compelling cover letters. It’s a known referral from people who know them that gets them a first meeting.

Evan d'Entremont

Technical Leader | Backend Developer

2mo

Not sure if you’ve heard but ghost jobs are a thing now. There is no longer a correlation between jobs posted and open roles. Not sure if you’ve noticed but there are hundreds of thousands of layoffs and all of those people are looking for work Not sure if you care but for every open role there are a thousand applicants. This is not a healthly market. In short, it’s LinkedIn so I’ll refrain from telling you precisely where to go. You can figure it out.

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Jeremy Rader

Senior Software Engineer

2mo

Easy to say this when you're employed and haven't spend time on the market in this economy. There's some truth here for sure but its highly insensitive. Also, there's likely a lot more competition for these jobs now than in 2019. I'm seeing thousands of applicants for positions these days. I do understand the annoyance with the ones that post whiny stuff like "x number of days unemployed. have pity on me"

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You are oversimplifying a rather complex problem. Candidate skill set does not match the job requirements. Myriad reasons for this, it does not mean the candidate has no skill set. Candidate skill set matches the job requirements, but the matchmaking system is broken. So they never apply or don't get an interview. And yes, the matchmaking system is broken. If you have a job which requires 10 skills (with various degrees of relevance) and a candidate with 10 skills (with various degrees of competence), what is the chance of finding someone who is a good match? Look at the average job ad. Some of the skills need 5 times longer to learn than the rest combined. Yet the people who have high proficiency for difficult skill are filtered out by the ATS, and then the people who don't have it get the interview, but not the job (naturally). The same thing happens when you search for relevant positions to apply to. Then there are all those no salary range jobs, you apply to but ask too much for.

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George Olah

Te ajut sa iti cresti afacerea cu ajutorul Inteligentei Artificiale

2mo

Please continue, I loved the analysis. :) And i really think you are right. Through, I took a break from programming for almost a year now, what I notice from most entrepreneurs I work with is that they are looking for good professionals, but they don’t find them too easy. I include here marketing and other IT professionals too, not only programmers.

Pourush Gupta

Senior Software Engineer II at JPMorgan & Chase| Ex HCL, Ex TCS | Complete frontend and full-stack engineer

2mo

Well-written.

Prakash Jhugroo

Senior Software Engineer | SaaS | JS/TS/PHP | Node, React, Nextjs, Symfony, Drupal

2mo

Banger of a post

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