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In this webinar clip, our lead investigator, Dan Bonelli, explains why the NFPA 921 serves as a guide, not a standard, due to the ongoing developments in understanding fire behavior and its effect on structures, buildings, and automobiles.
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Question asking Dan, is the NFPA 921 anywhere closer to becoming a standard or a code rather than just a loose guide? Yeah, you know, there's, there's been people that have called for that in the past, but I think there's there's a hesitancy because it's an evolving science and it changes so much that there's actually parts that they've gone back and taken out because it was wrong. So you don't want to make it a standard. You know, it's always, it's always going to be a guide because of that. And so, you know, the the stuff that I was taught in 1991 turned out to be mostly false. It was I got fed a lot of bad information about how fires start and progress. And based on scientific testing, we know that that's all all wrong now and that and that's why that document and they used to teach this stuff in 921 and you know, and it keeps changing and changing and changing. I think that's why it'll never be stand. Carly, I'd like to pick your brain. Yeah, I'll add a little something to that. You know, the NFPA also has a standard for minimum professional qualifications for fire investigators. It's NFPA 1033 and as that one of the requirements is being having up to date information on investigation methodology, which kind of backs back doors in the 921. So it's not technically maybe a standard, but it is. Problem. Very important guide that maybe is doesn't quite qualify as a standard, but if you deviate too far in your investigation you could end up in a lot of trouble. And partially if you back door back in the scientific method, you'll end up in the right framework. Pardon. Even though it's not a standard, it, it's considered by many people to be a standard and you'll get questioned on the witness stand as it being a standard for sure. But 1033 is different because that's the qualifications for a fire investigator. Those things never change. And they're basically they want to make sure that you know, you've got education greater than the average layperson and in a particular field, which would be fire science or fire investigation or. Fire behavior and they wanna make sure that you're certified by one or more agencies, that you train on a regular basis and on and on and on. So there's about 16 things that you have to do. In continuing order to to remain an expert in this field.
Discussions are good when conversation is needed. The fire investigation community should push back hard on any attempt to make 921 a Standard. There are too many variables for consideration when developing a theory/hypothesis, as well as testing. How in the world could one standardize things like Inductive or Deductive reasoning? To do so or stifle critical or creative thinking, contradicts the Scientific Method and would make 921 a juxtaposed document. It’s an evolving, consensus document that’s generally accepted by the fire investigation community, as well as the Courts. If we have a flat tire, we replace the tire…. not the whole dang transmission and engine.
These are great conversations. 921 should always simply be a guide. We learn more about science as it evolves. Thus, the reason to always test our hypothesis and eliminate them as science proves differently.
Fire and Explosion Investigator, CFEI, CFII and CVFI / NAFI, International Instructor, University Professor and Scientific Disseminator, Insurance Investigator (Adjustments/Settlement/Subrogation), CEO of pirolisis LATAM
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Deficiencies are inevitable in every fire protection system. Identifying, classifying, and correcting them are critical functions that NFPA standards and insurance policies require business managers and owners to perform.
Join our webinar on July 25 to discover the Top 10 Most Common Deficiencies and what you can do now to reduce the likelihood of these issues happening in your systems. Register today.
https://lnkd.in/g22B_Puv#deficiencies#webinar#top10#fireprotection#firesafety#NFPA
Deficiencies are inevitable in every fire protection system. Identifying, classifying, and correcting them are critical functions that NFPA standards and insurance policies require business managers and owners to perform.
Join our webinar on July 25 to discover the Top 10 Most Common Deficiencies and what you can do now to reduce the likelihood of these issues happening in your systems. Register today.
https://lnkd.in/g22B_Puv#deficiencies#webinar#fireprotection#firesafety#NFPA
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1moDiscussions are good when conversation is needed. The fire investigation community should push back hard on any attempt to make 921 a Standard. There are too many variables for consideration when developing a theory/hypothesis, as well as testing. How in the world could one standardize things like Inductive or Deductive reasoning? To do so or stifle critical or creative thinking, contradicts the Scientific Method and would make 921 a juxtaposed document. It’s an evolving, consensus document that’s generally accepted by the fire investigation community, as well as the Courts. If we have a flat tire, we replace the tire…. not the whole dang transmission and engine.