A real example of sponsorship

[Interviewer] Did you ever have a moment where the difference between mentorship and sponsorship impacted your early career? [Interviewee] Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think the story exacted, that really kind of brings home the difference between mentorship and sponsorship would actually be when I first was made a partner and maybe we will come back to that at the end, right? But when I was made a partner, now we call the managing directors. You know, I was sort of to be blunt kind of clueless. I was potentially, there's far too many of us as black and brown folks that would, you know, my, my attitude was not what it should be. And what I mean by that is I was of the mindset of, you know, Hey, I'm doing what I need to do. They should make me a managing director or a partner. And if they don't, you know, it, it's not why I get up in the morning. So you know, their loss, right? Somebody, one of the folks that I was…