Jay Z Jokes & Timbaland Beatboxes in Second Day of Copyright Infringement Trial Over 'Big Pimpin''

"He tells me his beats are better than my raps. I tell him my raps are better than his beats," Jay Z joked about Timbaland in court on Wednesday

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Jay Z delivered short answers and many laughs to a federal courtroom on Wednesday in the second day of a longstanding copyright infringement trial over his 1999 hit “Big Pimpin.'”

The rapper, whose real name is Shawn Carter, spent nearly an hour and a half testifying on Wednesday and told the Los Angeles, California jury, that he was unaware initially that the hip-hop song featured any copyrighted tunes, Billboard reports.

“I didn’t think there was a sample in it,” Carter said, noting that producer Timbaland (né Timothy Mosley) is known for rarely sampling music. “Timbaland presented me with a track. I didn’t even think about there being a sample.”

Both Carter and Mosley are being sued by the heir of Egyptian composer Baligh Hamdi for allegedly using elements from “Khosara Khosara,” a 1950s love ballad by the artist, in the rap track.

However, the men hold that they have a valid license to use the music and said that the composer’s family had been repeatedly paid for the use of the composition.

When asked by the opposition why he didn’t look into securing the rights himself, Carter responded that wasn’t his job: “That’s not what I do. I make music.”

The 45-year-old then went on to list several of his music ventures before his attorney, Andrew Bart, chimed in, “you have a music streaming service [Tidal], don’t you?”

“Yeah, yeah. I forgot about that,” the star responded.

Carter spoke of his life, successes and collaborations with Mosley in the testimony riddled with humorous moments, according to the Associated Press.

The courtroom erupted in laughter when Carter’s attorney asked him about artists whose career he played a role in, noting that “some people” have heard of Kanye West.

The hip-hop star responded: “One or two,” Carter responded, per the AP. “He’s running for president.”

He joked about his collaborations with Mosley, 43, saying, “[Mosley] tells me his beats are better than my raps. I tell him my raps are better than his beats.”

Carter added: “It’s an ongoing thing that I keep winning.”

The music mogul was more serious, though, when questioned about his use of “Khosara Khosara,” the AP reports. He gave short, mostly one-word answers.

Mosley testified as well, explaining that he found “Khosara Khosara” on a CD of “license free” music and paid a music label $100,000 to use it in “Big Pimpin,'” (a rap track filled with explicit lyrics), according to Billboard.

The producer, who is behind the music for the hit show Empire even did a little beatboxing to illustrate to the jury that his beats are the key to his music, not the samples.

Carter told the jury that he still enjoys performing “Big Pimpin’ ” and noted that the song features “adult lyrics.”

“I like the song,” he said. “It’s pretty good.”

Lawyers for the men did not immediately respond to requests for comment from PEOPLE.

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