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Subject: gnome-keyring: pinentry-gnome3 should also be recommended and (hard)
dependency should fallback on pinentry-gtk2
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:38:31 +0530
Package: gnome-keyring
Version: 3.18.2-1
Severity: normal
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Hi,
I understand from bug#787786 that GNOME should ensure that most
possible of its features is getting used.
As already pointed out in bug#787786#18, there are other sensible of
gnome-keyring other than in concert with the GNOME desktop.
I agree that favoring pinentry-gtk2 over pinentry-gnome is wrong, but
_only_ hard depending on pinentry-gnome makes it impossible¹ to use
gnome-keyring without also pulling in pinentry-gnome and its (for some
non-GNOME uses) too excessive dependencies.
Please consider the following, which I believe satisfies both the need
for ensuring best GNOME experience and supporting lighter alternatives:
* Have dependency on pinentry-gnome fallback to pinentry-gtk2
* Recommend pinentry-gnome
Thanks for considering,
- Jonas
¹ Impossible while using pure Debian. Custom tricks like creating a
fake package by same name is possible - resulting in a _derivative_ of
Debian.
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(Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:00:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
control: severity -1 wishlist
control: tags -1 moreinfo
Am 09.12.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> Package: gnome-keyring
> Version: 3.18.2-1
> Severity: normal
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand from bug#787786 that GNOME should ensure that most
> possible of its features is getting used.
>
> As already pointed out in bug#787786#18, there are other sensible of
> gnome-keyring other than in concert with the GNOME desktop.
>
> I agree that favoring pinentry-gtk2 over pinentry-gnome is wrong, but
> _only_ hard depending on pinentry-gnome makes it impossible¹ to use
> gnome-keyring without also pulling in pinentry-gnome and its (for some
> non-GNOME uses) too excessive dependencies.
Which excessive dependencies?
Which of those aren't already pulled in by gnome-keyring?
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(Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:45:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Quoting Michael Biebl (2015-12-09 19:27:37)
> Am 09.12.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
>> I understand from bug#787786 that GNOME should ensure that most
>> possible of its features is getting used.
>>
>> As already pointed out in bug#787786#18, there are other sensible of
>> gnome-keyring other than in concert with the GNOME desktop.
>>
>> I agree that favoring pinentry-gtk2 over pinentry-gnome is wrong, but
>> _only_ hard depending on pinentry-gnome makes it impossible¹ to use
>> gnome-keyring without also pulling in pinentry-gnome and its (for some
>> non-GNOME uses) too excessive dependencies.
>
> Which excessive dependencies?
> Which of those aren't already pulled in by gnome-keyring?
Oh - please ignore the remark about excessive dependencies (I was
looking at an older suite).
Issue remains that gnome-keyring declares a strict dependency for a
situation where in unusual cases alternatives works - which is the
purpose of the "Recommends:" hint.
Currenly pinentry-gnome cannot be removed from a system which uses
gnome-keyring, even though gnome-keyring can work with other
implementations of the pinentry-x11 ABI than pinentry-gnome.
- Jonas
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(Wed, 09 Dec 2015 15:09:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Am 09.12.2015 um 15:44 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> Quoting Michael Biebl (2015-12-09 19:27:37)
>> Am 09.12.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
>> Which excessive dependencies?
>> Which of those aren't already pulled in by gnome-keyring?
>
> Oh - please ignore the remark about excessive dependencies (I was
> looking at an older suite).
>
Ok. It seemed like you were exaggerating trying to make a point.
> Currenly pinentry-gnome cannot be removed from a system which uses
> gnome-keyring
Given the size of pinentry-gnome3, I'm not really worried about that.
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(Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:03:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Quoting Michael Biebl (2015-12-09 20:31:42)
> Am 09.12.2015 um 15:44 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
>> Currenly pinentry-gnome cannot be removed from a system which uses
>> gnome-keyring
>
> Given the size of pinentry-gnome3, I'm not really worried about that.
My concern is not the size but functionality.
pinentry has multiple implementations, each with different features and
drawbacks (look'n'feel, security deisgn etc). Current package hints of
gnome-keyring makes it needlessly difficult for non-GNOME users to favor
a different implementation of pinentry than the one GNOME favors.
Relaxing to recommend permits non-GNOME users to simply avoid installing
unwanted implementations of pinentry.
- Jonas
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(Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:09:11 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Am 09.12.2015 um 17:01 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> Quoting Michael Biebl (2015-12-09 20:31:42)
>> Am 09.12.2015 um 15:44 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
>>> Currenly pinentry-gnome cannot be removed from a system which uses
>>> gnome-keyring
>>
>> Given the size of pinentry-gnome3, I'm not really worried about that.
>
> My concern is not the size but functionality.
>
> pinentry has multiple implementations, each with different features and
> drawbacks (look'n'feel, security deisgn etc). Current package hints of
> gnome-keyring makes it needlessly difficult for non-GNOME users to favor
> a different implementation of pinentry than the one GNOME favors.
>
That's a separate issue.Something that needs to be fixed not via package
dependencies but rather a more flexible mechanism how to choose the
default pinentry program:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791441
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